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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2680 on: May 26, 2022, 03:26:58 PM »
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Because I have focused on synchronising the dispatchers timestamps with "Dealey" time the above argument is no longer relevant. The only way for a five minute discrepancy to occur is for the dispatcher's clock for channel 1 to drift 5 minutes away from the moment of 12:30pm, synchronised with "Dealey" time.
For the Tippit shooting to have occurred around 1;10pm that would require a 5 drift shift in 40 minutes (from 12:30pm to 1:10pm)

No, because we’re discussing what the real time was when Tippit was shot, not the “Dealey time”.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2680 on: May 26, 2022, 03:26:58 PM »


Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2681 on: May 26, 2022, 03:39:58 PM »
Well, they actually didn't call out any time stamp between 1:16 and 1:19.

And none on channel 2 between 1:12 and 1:18.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2682 on: July 30, 2022, 05:26:27 AM »
I do not know if it has ever been linked before but below is the google map walking prompt from 1026 N Beckley to 408 E 10th [where Tippit was shot]...showing the *shortest distance at 17 minutes. I walked it years ago and it took me *18. The walk south BTW is uphill. The start time is questionably 1:00 or after---
Once again...How does the walk time + the police stop and chat w/suspect time + the confrontation time + the shooting time + the onlooker gets to the radio and calls dispatch time = 1:16? [Sixteen minutes or less]

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/1026+North+Beckley+Avenue,+Dallas,+TX/408+E+10th+St,+Dallas,+TX+75203/@32.7501084,-96.8202632,1988m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x864e999d1b785c03:0xf4b8e76beb3a162d!2m2!1d-96.8226033!2d32.7558212!1m5!1m1!1s0x864e9999e27dc995:0x74404ad9827de298!2m2!1d-96.8181642!2d32.7472428!3e2?hl=en

* Beckley to left on Davis to right on Patton to left on 10th

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2683 on: July 30, 2022, 07:12:21 PM »
I do not know if it has ever been linked before but below is the google map walking prompt from 1026 N Beckley to 408 E 10th [where Tippit was shot]...showing the *shortest distance at 17 minutes. I walked it years ago and it took me *18. The walk south BTW is uphill. The start time is questionably 1:00 or after---
Once again...How does the walk time + the police stop and chat w/suspect time + the confrontation time + the shooting time + the onlooker gets to the radio and calls dispatch time = 1:16? [Sixteen minutes or less]

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/1026+North+Beckley+Avenue,+Dallas,+TX/408+E+10th+St,+Dallas,+TX+75203/@32.7501084,-96.8202632,1988m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x864e999d1b785c03:0xf4b8e76beb3a162d!2m2!1d-96.8226033!2d32.7558212!1m5!1m1!1s0x864e9999e27dc995:0x74404ad9827de298!2m2!1d-96.8181642!2d32.7472428!3e2?hl=en

* Beckley to left on Davis to right on Patton to left on 10th

I walked that exact route back in March of 2020 and it took me a little less than 12 minutes and 30 seconds.
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2684 on: July 30, 2022, 08:20:51 PM »
I walked that exact route back in March of 2020 and it took me a little less than 12 minutes and 30 seconds.
I guess that is because you were in quite a hurry to go kill a cop huh? Did you have your gun with you? Was it tucked in your waistband so as to not fall out at your go-get-em speed? And knew right where to go at 4.8 miles an hour?
 
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How Long Does It Take to Walk a Mile?
Most people can expect to walk a mile in 15 to 22 minutes, according to data gathered in a 2019 study spanning five decades. The average walking pace is 2.5 to 4 mph, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Factors that affect the speed of your pace include physical fitness levels, the incline and your age.
https://www.nike.com/hr/a/how-long-does-it-take-to-walk-a-mile

That would make at the outside... normally about 17.6 minutes to hike the .8 mile suggested distance.
3 miles an hour is really setting out to walk a mile [on flat ground] in 20 minutes.
Then again..where in hell were are you headed anyway?

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« Reply #2684 on: July 30, 2022, 08:20:51 PM »


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2685 on: August 06, 2022, 08:01:52 PM »
It is unbelievable that someone would post this nonsense on a public board after all we now know about the Tippit shooting. Here are just a few of the facts that point away from Oswald:

-- Warren Reynolds did not see the shooting but saw the gunman running from the scene of the crime. He claimed that the man was not Oswald. After he survived an attempt to kill him, he changed his mind and identified Oswald as the man he had seen.

-- Four cartridge cases were found lying on the ground near the scene of the murder. It would seem that the killer had opened the chamber of his gun and manually ejected the cases. Instead of immediately fleeing the scene of the crime, he deliberately stopped and discarded four vital pieces of evidence that could have been used against him. And of course WC apologists just gobble up this tale.

-- The four cartridge cases were traced to Oswald's revolver, but they were never matched to the bullets. Simply put, the slugs from Tippit's body do not match the shells in evidence.

-- Not one of the shells in evidence has Sergeant W. E. Barnes' or Patrolman J. M. Poe's initials on it, even though both men said they marked two of the shells. Sergeant Gerald Hill testified that he told Poe to be "sure" to mark two of the shells.

-- Helen Markham said the shooting occurred at 1:06 or 1:07. She had left her home, about one block from the site of the shooting, just after 1 pm, to go to work. She was about one and a half minutes’ walk from the bus stop where she was about to catch her regular bus. She caught this bus every day she worked. According to the Dallas Transit System, the bus was scheduled to arrive at 1:12 and she routinely arrived at least five minutes early, so the shooting must have occurred at around 1:07-1:10. There is no way Oswald could have walked from his house to 10th and Patton in time to be seen by Markham there.

-- The police lineups where Oswald was "identified" were brazenly unfair. He was the only one who was dressed shabbily. A monkey would have "identified" Oswald at those lineups.

-- Tippit's very presence in the Oak Cliff area, far from his assigned area, at a time when all DPD officers had been ordered to go downtown or to Parkland smacks of conspiracy. It took the DPD weeks to "discover" the transmission that ordered Tippit to Oak Cliff.

-- The fingerprints on Tippit's passenger door and on the right front fender were not Oswald's.

-- The FBI found that Oswald’s revolver was defective—it would not fire because the firing pin did not work properly. Dr. Gerald McKnight:

The first indication that Oswald’s .38 Smith and Wesson revolver was defective surfaced in the Warren report’s account of his arrest in the Texas Theatre. The reported stated that while Oswald was scuffling with one of the arresting officers, “a click” was heard, which the report identified as the sound of Oswald’s handgun misfiring. Later, when the FBI crime lab examined the four empty .38 hulls retrieved from the Tippit crime scene, none of the cartridges bore firing-pin indentations. Based on the physical evidence, BuLab [the FBI crime lab] surmised, “the firing pin would not strike one or more of the cartridges with sufficient force to fire them.” The FBI was confronted with the strong likelihood
that Oswald’s pistol was so hopelessly defective that it could not have been used
in the Tippit shooting. This could explain why the FBI was so conspicuously
indifferent about collecting and testing the three slugs Dr. Rose had removed
from the slain policeman’s body. (McKnight, Breach of Trust: How the Warren
Commission Failed the Nation and Why
, University Press of Kansas, 2013, p.
146)


Donald Wilkes of the University of Georgia law school doesn't buy the case against Oswald in the Tippit shooting:

After shooting Tippit the killer conveniently discarded four empty .38 caliber shells, which were identified by FBI experts as having been fired from the pistol Oswald possessed at arrest. There are, however, strong suspicions that the shells handed over to the FBI by Dallas police were not the shells found at the crime scene. Furthermore, the shells did not correspond with the bullets removed from Tippit’s body during his autopsy--a strange fact which the Warren Report desperately but unsuccessfully tried to explain away. Two of the shells were Winchesters and two were Remingtons, but the bullets recovered from Tippit consisted of three Winchesters and one Remington. (FBI experts could not link the bullets taken from Tippit’s corpse to Oswald’s revolver, for two reasons: first, the bullets were too mutilated; second, the barrel of the weapon had--apparently before Oswald bought it--been altered, and test-firing the revolver showed that consecutive bullets fired from the revolver could not be identified as having been fired from that revolver.) Even accepting that Oswald owned and possessed the weapon in question, and that the shells tested by the FBI had been fired from that weapon, therefore, the ballistics evidence is questionable.

As for the zipper jacket, the evidence that Tippit’s killer wore it is doubtful, the
evidence that it was worn by or ever belonged to Oswald is weak, and the
circumstances under which it was allegedly found (by a still unidentified Dallas
policeman) lying on the ground in a service station parking lot have never been
satisfactorily explained. There is an excellent account of the suspicious nature of the jacket evidence in the Meagher book. (The jacket, incidentally, bore a laundry or dry-cleaning tag which the FBI was unable to trace.)

It may well be, therefore, as James P. Duffy and Vincent L. Rice suggest in their book The Assassination of John F. Kennedy (1992), that Tippit’s murder “had no connection ... with Oswald, that [it] was committed by an unknown person for reasons entirely unconnected with the president’s assassination, and that the murder charge was pinned on Oswald.” (https://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1145&context=fac_pm)


These are just some of the problems with the case against Oswald in the Tippit shooting. That case is a bunch of hokum consisting of witnesses who were pressured to change their story, witnesses who "identified" Oswald in grossly unfair lineups, suppressed evidence, and sloppily planted evidence.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_j_022lJYli3B5Xyw8wLs-0nl6mDLo2t/view


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2686 on: August 10, 2022, 03:35:47 PM »

As for the zipper jacket, the evidence that Tippit’s killer wore it is doubtful, the
evidence that it was worn by or ever belonged to Oswald is weak, and the
circumstances under which it was allegedly found (by a still unidentified Dallas
policeman) lying on the ground in a service station parking lot have never been
satisfactorily explained.
Wondering if there is still DNA presence of the wearer of this jacket which AFAIK is presently stored in the Natl Archives.

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« Reply #2687 on: August 10, 2022, 03:49:42 PM »
Wondering if there is still DNA presence of the wearer of this jacket which AFAIK is presently stored in the Natl Archives.

Or Tippit's DNA on Oswald's shoes or pants after Oswald shot him in the head.  Of course, that would be deemed faked by CTers.  In terms of Oswald's jacket, it's likely that DNA of many people would be found.  It has been handled by the investigators and folks at the Archives etc.  It is likely also a secondhand jacket that Oswald acquired given the laundry mark.