Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Walt Cakebread]

So, Oswald's possessions weren't really taken from Beckley?

Some of Lee's possessions were taken from his room at 1026 N. Beckley, but the majority of his possessions were taken from the Paine's residence.  The most important items that were taken for his Beckley room were the trousers and shirt that he had removed at 1:00pm ....The Shirt that Lee removed was a long sleeve reddish brown shirt with a BUTTON DOWN collar. and NO hole in the elbow.

[Dan O'meara]

They certainly are in agreement, Mr. Johnson leaning toward 1:30, so why are you telling they said "around 2:00PM."?

Correct, which is why he talked to Gerald Hill about picking up Oswald in Irving?

If Oswald volunteered anything it would have been 2:30pm at the earliest.

There's no reason to push the Johnsons estimate one minute beyond 2:00pm and Potts stated they (DP) arrived at 3:00, deal with it.

Okay Otto, I'll deal with it (whatever that means)


They certainly are in agreement, Mr. Johnson leaning toward 1:30, so why are you telling they said "around 2:00PM."?

Mr Johnson hears the news of JFK's death before coming home, and doesn't get home until about 10 minutes after the announcement, let's say about 1:50PM

At this time Potts is in the DPD taking affidavits off Dougherty and Arce who both recognise Oswald as he's brought in after his arrest.
Potts processes these two affidavits and at some point after that Bill Senkel arrives to tell him they're going out to 1026.
In Potts' account it doesn't seem like they have been at the house all that long before Oswald is recognised on the television. Oswald's image first flashes up on CBS around 3:34PM.

If Oswald volunteered anything it would have been 2:30pm at the earliest.


So let's say Oswald gives up the address around 2:30 - 2:40Pm
Fritz tells Senkel to take some men and check out the address.
Potts, Senkel and Cunningham arrive around 3:00PM
Oswald is recognised around 3:30PM
Senkel calls HQ to find out the search warrant is already en route.
This is because, around 3:00PM Buddy Walthers calls Decker with the number Ruth Paine gave him. Decker asks Allan Sweatt to check the address. At some point Sweatt reports back with the 1026 address at which point Decker gets on to Justice of the Peace Johnston for a search warrant, which he personally delivers to the Beckley address.


A couple of problems with the notion of the DP being at the house around 2:00PM.
Firstly, what were Potts and co. doing for the hour and a half before Oswald was recognised on the TV?
Secondly, if the Johnsons are part of some elaborate hoax, why are they saying the DP arrived so early, thereby ruining the elaborate hoax?

[Richard Smith]

Why would any conspirator be in a rush to have Oswald's boardinghouse searched when he was already in custody and there was nothing incriminating to be found there?  Like the bus to nowhere and alleged phone/power outage, this seems to advance no objective from a conspiracy perspective.  And if there is no allegation of this occurring as a result of a conspiracy (or proof of such) to frame Oswald but just a because someone "wants to know," then why does it really matter? 

[Walt Cakebread]

Okay Otto, I'll deal with it (whatever that means)


They certainly are in agreement, Mr. Johnson leaning toward 1:30, so why are you telling they said "around 2:00PM."?

Mr Johnson hears the news of JFK's death before coming home, and doesn't get home until about 10 minutes after the announcement, let's say about 1:50PM

At this time Potts is in the DPD taking affidavits off Dougherty and Arce who both recognise Oswald as he's brought in after his arrest.
Potts processes these two affidavits and at some point after that Bill Senkel arrives to tell him they're going out to 1026.
In Potts' account it doesn't seem like they have been at the house all that long before Oswald is recognised on the television. Oswald's image first flashes up on CBS around 3:34PM.

If Oswald volunteered anything it would have been 2:30pm at the earliest.


So let's say Oswald gives up the address around 2:30 - 2:40Pm
Fritz tells Senkel to take some men and check out the address.
Potts, Senkel and Cunningham arrive around 3:00PM
Oswald is recognised around 3:30PM
Senkel calls HQ to find out the search warrant is already en route.
This is because, around 3:00PM Buddy Walthers calls Decker with the number Ruth Paine gave him. Decker asks Allan Sweatt to check the address. At some point Sweatt reports back with the 1026 address at which point Decker gets on to Justice of the Peace Johnston for a search warrant, which he personally delivers to the Beckley address.


A couple of problems with the notion of the DP being at the house around 2:00PM.
Firstly, what were Potts and co. doing for the hour and a half before Oswald was recognised on the TV?
Secondly, if the Johnsons are part of some elaborate hoax, why are they saying the DP arrived so early, thereby ruining the elaborate hoax?

I believe that you're very close regarding the times involved for the police arriving at the rooming house at 1026 N Beckley.
Lee definitely did tell Captain Fritz that he had a room at 1026 N Beckley ( And I believe Lee told Fritz that he rented that room BEFORE FBI agent Hosty arrived at the police station at around 2:50.  You may recall that Fritz had started the preliminary interrogation when he received a call from the FBI  SAC  Gordon Shanklin  who told him not to start interrogating Oswald until FBI agent James Hosty could be present, because Hosty had been working with "these people"  and Shanklin then  dispatched Hosty immediately.  ( @ approximately 2:15 pm) )

Hosty arrived a DPD headquarters at  about 2:50 and Hosty told Lt. Jack Revill at that time that Lee Harvey Oswald was in Captain Fritz's office.   Hosty told Revill " I blurted ---" Jack , the Lee that you're talking about is Lee Oswald. He killed Tippit. He's a communist and he probably killed Kennedy too.  He's under arrest right now upstairs"   

Bottom line..... Lee had already told Fritz that he rented a room at 1026 N. Beckley ( probably as soon as Fritz started talking to Lee Oswald. at about 2:30)   


So let's say Oswald gives up the address around 2:30 - 2:40Pm
Fritz tells Senkel to take some men and check out the address.
Potts, Senkel and Cunningham arrive around 3:00PM
Oswald is recognised around 3:30PM
Senkel calls HQ to find out the search warrant is already en route.
This is because, around 3:00PM Buddy Walthers calls Decker with the number Ruth Paine gave him. Decker asks Allan Sweatt to check the address. At some point Sweatt reports back with the 1026 address at which point Decker gets on to Justice of the Peace Johnston for a search warrant, which he personally delivers to the Beckley address.

[Richard Smith]

Why would any conspirator be in a rush to have Oswald's boardinghouse searched when he was already in custody and there was nothing incriminating to be found there?

And you know this how?

Like the bus to nowhere and alleged phone/power outage, this seems to advance no objective from a conspiracy perspective.

ROFL -- you bailed the bus to nowhere, literary, when your argument fell apart.

And if there is no allegation of this occurring as a result of a conspiracy (or proof of such) to frame Oswald but just a because someone "wants to know," then why does it really matter?

Any timeline that breaks down matters. Your question underlines the fact that you don't understand how a timeline works.

Down the rabbit hole we go again!  Martin is awfully quiet.  Three's a crowd.  Again, what would be the rush for anyone to have the DPD to search Oswald's boardinghouse if there was nothing incriminatory to be found there?  Do you believe something incriminating was found at Oswald's boardinghouse and the DPD was protecting Oswald by rushing there to cover it up?  That seems to cut against framing him.  In your fantasy scenario, what are you suggesting is the motivation for the DPD to search Oswald's boardinghouse in such a rush instead of just waiting until they uncovered his address?  He was already in custody.  4-3=0 again.

[Richard Smith]

Down the rabbit hole we go again!

Classic, translation: I somehow can't make my strawman work.

Martin is awfully quiet. Three's a crowd.

ROFL -- Gone CT on the alleged account scam?

Again, what would be the rush for anyone to have the DPD to search Oswald's boardinghouse if there was nothing incriminatory to be found there?

Again, you know this how?

Do you believe something incriminating was found at Oswald's boardinghouse and the DPD was protecting Oswald by rushing there to cover it up? That seems to cut against framing him.

Odd question, how would this protection of Oswald work?

In your fantasy scenario, what are you suggesting is the motivation for the DPD to search Oswald's boardinghouse in such a rush instead of just waiting until they uncovered his address?

I don't deal in fantasy scenarios, but how could they rush anywhere until they had uncovered his address?

He was already in custody.

Your point being?

4-3=0 again.

Irrelevant.

I know now what it is like to play whack-a-mole with someone who has ADD.  I'll try one question that accepts the extremely dubious premise that has been suggested (i.e. that the DPD somehow knew Oswald's address before he gave it to them). 

Why not wait until Oswald had given his address instead of rushing off to his boardinghouse and risking exposure of having some type of foreknowledge of where he lived?

[Dan O'meara]

Okay Otto, I'll deal with it (whatever that means)

Pro-tip: If in doubt, ask.

(which may seem to be in conflict with my previous tip)

Keep the pro-tips coming, it's like some kind of wisdom is being slowly revealed:

If in doubt, ask...but never ask a question you don't already know the answer to.

You seem to be going down the route of Richard Smith's infallible conspirators but you should know by now how that is guarantied to end.

I've thought about this sentence for a while, and I literally don't know what you're trying to say. What route? What "infallible conspirators"? What "end"?
But most of all - how is this a response to what I posted?

Potts, in his report, increased your 11 tenants to 16 which brings us back to your easily checkable evidence...

My 11 tenants? My house isn't big enough.
"Easily checkable" by who?