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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2018, 03:09:45 PM »
Can you make a case for a problem with the chain of possession of the two shells found by each of the Davis girls?  For years I've asked conspiracy believers to do this but none ever have.

 You are asking him to make case against the chain of possession when the chain of possession has not been established Not surprising that you have not got an answer from CT's because its irrational

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2018, 03:23:58 PM »
You forgot the witness who got the best look at Tippit's killer and whose description of the murderer doesn't

match a photo taken of LHO while in DPD custody on 11/22/63.

Testimony Of Domingo Benavides

Mr. BELIN - Where were you when your vehicle stopped?
Mr. BENAVIDES - About 15 foot, just directly across the street and maybe a car length away from the police car.

~snip~

Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.

Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........

~snip~

Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.

~snip~



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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2018, 03:28:03 PM »

~snip~
 
Ted Callaway was standing out on the front porch of the used-car lot office,
where he worked.  Callaway testified that he heard five pistol shots.  Callaway
testified that he believed the shots came from the vicinity of Tenth Street,
which was behind the office he worked in.  He went out to the sidewalk on the
east side of Patton and noticed Scoggin's cab parked up near the corner of
Patton at Tenth.  As Callaway watched the cab driver (Scoggins) hide beside his
cab, he noticed a man running across Patton from the east side of Patton to the
west side.  Callaway watched the man run down Patton towards Jefferson.  Ted
Callaway positively identified Lee Oswald as the man he saw run down Patton with
a gun in his hands.
 
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TESTIMONY OF TED CALLAWAY

~snip~

Mr. BALL. He was crossing Patton?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Was that to the south or the north of the taxicab? Closer to you than the taxicab?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was he running or walking?
Mr. CALLAWAY. He was running.

~snip~

Mr. BALL. About what distance was he away from you--the closest that he ever was to you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. About 56 feet.
Mr. BALL. You measured that, did you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Last Saturday morning?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Measured it with a tape measure?

~snip~

Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2018, 03:50:19 PM »
You would do well to remind yourself that Nick McDonald was a damned liar.....

And it is a FACT the fire pin could NOT have failed as lyin Nick claimed....

 I have no problem with that Walt I suppose my point is to Bill about the consistency of the authorities stories and contradictions Is the story that McDonald, and the others, approached Oswald with their guns in holsters? That seems a little unlikely given the presuppositions they were operating under

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2018, 07:10:06 PM »
So Oswald is in Gomer Pyle-like bliss up to the assassination about whatever is going on.  Then it immediately dawns on him that he is going to take the fall for it.  He suddenly becomes a genius. So he does the logical thing and kills a police officer.  That is quite a fantasy tale.  The most logical reason for him to have killed Tippit is because he has just assassinated the President and has nothing to lose at that point.  He can't risk the possibility that he has already been identified as a suspect and will be arrested if he IDs himself.

No, Oswald was a sheep-dipped patsy that hoped he would be allowed to escape or else he was left in the dark, just like Thomas Arthur Vallee was in Chicago for plan A. Oswald was an Angleton singleton agent plucked from the false defector program. Every good coup needs a patsy and Oswald was plan B.

Whether Oswald shot Tippit, which is unlikely IMO, he didn't shoot JFK. This was a coup pure and simple and Oswald was the patsy and conspirators never rely on the patsy to do the shooting. As soon as you LNers get a grip, you'll see that everything you've been defending and obfuscating about for the last 50+ years fits perfectly into the patsy narrative. You will feel embarrassed re your naivety and you will feel violated that you were unwitting shills to the coup, but you will finally be able to sleep at night knowing you are no longer in the dark.

Cheers ;)
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2018, 07:44:26 PM »
No, Oswald was a sheep-dipped patsy that hoped he would be allowed to escape or else he was left in the dark, just like Thomas Arthur Vallee was in Chicago for plan A. Oswald was an Angleton singleton agent plucked from the false defector program. Every good coup needs a patsy and Oswald was plan B.

Whether Oswald shot Tippit, which is unlikely IMO, he didn't shoot JFK. This was a coup pure and simple and Oswald was the patsy and conspirators never rely on the patsy to do the shooting. As soon as you LNers get a grip, you'll see that everything you've been defending and obfuscating about for the last 50+ years fits perfectly into the patsy narrative. You will feel embarrassed re your naivety and you will feel violated that you were unwitting shills to the coup, but you will finally be able to sleep at night knowing you are no longer in the dark.

Cheers ;)
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2018, 12:09:51 AM »
He may well have done, although I doubt it, but Brown's OP contains only part of the whole story and can not be relied upon.

For instance, Helen Markham testified she left home at "a little after 1". She had only one block to walk, yet according to the official story Tippit was shot at around 1.14 pm. That means that, for the official story to be true, Markham would have taken some 10 minutes to walk one block. Anything less than that would have placed her well beyond 10th/Patton prior to the shooting. Obviously, if the shooting happened earlier, it's just about impossible for Oswald to have been there on time to do the deed.

William Scoggins's testimony reveals that his timing was off and that he got to 10th/Patton earlier than the official story claims. Also, Scoggins, who is supposed to have identified Oswald at the DPD line up failed to identify Oswald as Tippit's killer to the FBI from a photo shown to him the very next day.

Domingo Benavides, who was closer to the actual shooting than anybody else, refused to participate in a line up because he felt he could not positively identify the killer, yet others, like the Davis sisters, who were indoors somehow can identify the man? Really?

There are so many things Brown doesn't tell you, that his entire OP is just a one sided dishonest presentation of what he wants to be the truth rather than the truth itself.


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2018, 12:19:04 AM »
Indoors?  You're not aware that the Davis sisters were standing at their opened front door as the killer fled across their front yard?

The Davis sisters-in-law didn't know that the guy they saw killed anybody.

They also didn't even agree on basic details about what they saw, like whether the screen door was opened or closed when they saw the boy, whether they called the police before or after they saw him, whether he looked at them or not, whether they were inside or out on the porch when they saw him, when they viewed the lineup, who was the first to identify him, and what he was wearing.  Neither one of them could identify the shells in evidence as the same ones they handed to the police.

Unfair and biased lineups are an unreliable way of determining what is true.

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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2018, 12:21:48 AM »
Warren Commission Hearings, Volume VII
Current Section: James R. Leavelle

Bill Brown believes things that witnesses said 30 years later, except for those times when he doesn't.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2018, 12:24:38 AM »
And let's not forget that we have seen in my "Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions" series that Helen Markham's own son said that she was prone to lying.

Bill Brown believes witnesses who others have said tell tall tales, except for those times when he doesn't.

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