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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1864 on: March 22, 2020, 01:30:57 AM »
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1864 on: March 22, 2020, 01:30:57 AM »


Offline Izraul Hidashi

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« Reply #1865 on: March 26, 2020, 05:28:24 AM »
The officer's name is Tippit.... just saying!

Yes, thank you. Mr. Tippet was my elementary school principle in Santa Barbara. My mistake. Clearly the most important part.
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1866 on: April 10, 2020, 04:20:54 PM »
Helen Markham was on foot, walking south along Patton toward her bus stop, which
was on Jefferson Boulevard.  Markham was just reaching the northwest corner of
Tenth and Patton when she noticed Tippit's patrol car pass through the
intersection, heading east along Tenth Street.  Markham testified that the
patrol car pulled up to a man who was walking on the sidewalk on the south side
of Tenth Street.  Helen Markham positively identified Lee Oswald as the man she
saw talking to, and shoot, J.D. Tippit.  She testified that she saw Oswald run
from the scene, heading down Patton with a gun in his hand.
 
William Scoggins was sitting in his cab at the southeast corner of Tenth and
Patton.  Scoggins saw Tippit's patrol car pass slowly in front of his cab,
driving west to east along Tenth Street (Scoggins' cab was sitting on Patton,
facing north towards Tenth street).  Scoggins noticed that the patrol car pulled
up alongside a man who was walking on the sidewalk on the south side of Tenth
Street.  William Scoggins positively identified Lee Oswald as the man he saw
running towards his cab seconds after hearing gun shots.  Scoggins got out of
his cab with thoughts of running from the scene as Oswald headed straight
towards him after the shots rang out.  After realizing he had nowhere to hide,
Scoggins returned to his cab and ducked down behind it as he watched Oswald turn
the corner and head down Patton towards Jefferson.  Scoggins testified that
Oswald had a gun in his hand.
 
Barbara Davis was lying in bed inside her residence, which was the house at the
corner of Tenth and Patton.  She heard gunshots outside and went to the door.
She opened the screen door and noticed Helen
Markham across the street, screaming.  Davis then noticed a man cutting through
her front yard, holding a gun in his hands.  She testified that the man had the
gun cocked in his hands as if he were emptying it.  Barbara Davis positively
identified Lee Oswald as the man who she saw cut across her yard with a gun in
his hands.
 
Virginia Davis was in the living room of her residence (400 E. Tenth
St.) when she heard gunshots outside.  Virginia Davis went to the door
and, like Barbara, noticed Helen Markham across the street, screaming.  Davis
then noticed a man cutting across the front yard with a gun in his hands.  She
testified that the man was emptying shells out of the gun.  Virginia Davis
positively identified Lee Oswald as the man who she saw cut across the front
yard with a gun in his hands.
 
Ted Callaway was standing out on the front porch of the used-car lot office,
where he worked.  Callaway testified that he heard five pistol shots.  Callaway
testified that he believed the shots came from the vicinity of Tenth Street,
which was behind the office he worked in.  He went out to the sidewalk on the
east side of Patton and noticed Scoggin's cab parked up near the corner of
Patton at Tenth.  As Callaway watched the cab driver (Scoggins) hide beside his
cab, he noticed a man running across Patton from the east side of Patton to the
west side.  Callaway watched the man run down Patton towards Jefferson.  Ted
Callaway positively identified Lee Oswald as the man he saw run down Patton with
a gun in his hands.
 
Sam Guinyard worked at the same used-car lot as Ted Callaway.  Guinyard was out
on the lot washing one of the cars when he heard gunshots come from the
direction up toward Tenth Street.  From the car lot, Guinyard was looking north
toward Tenth in an attempt to see where the shots came from when he saw a man on
the sidewalk in between the first two houses on Tenth Street (400 E. Tenth and
404 E. Tenth).  Guinyard went toward the sidewalk on the east side of Patton and
saw the man cut across the yard of the house on the corner (400 E. Tenth, the
Davis residence) and proceeded to run south on Patton.  Guinyard said the man
had a gun in his hands and was emptying it of shells.  Sam Guinyard positively
identified Lee Oswald as the man he saw running with the gun in his hands.

Each of the above witnesses saw a man flee the vicinity of the Tippit murder.  Each of the above witnesses saw a gun in the man's hands.  Every single one of the above witnesses positively identified Lee Oswald as that man.

These are the real witnesses and not even one of them said that someone other than Lee Oswald was the man they saw.

As for the revolver, Jim Leavelle briefly spoke with Oswald when Oswald was brought in from the theater.  Leavelle told Oswald that they could run ballistic tests on the revolver and match the revolver to the bullets taken from the officer's body, proving that the revolver taken from Oswald was the revolver responsible for the officer's death.  Oswald did not deny owning the revolver.  According to Leavelle, Oswald's only reply was "Well, you're just going to have to do it."

Oswald ordered the revolver under the name of A.J. Hidell on 1/27/63 from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Treasury Department handwriting expert Alwyn Cole testified that the handwriting on the order coupon belonged to Lee Oswald.  The FBI's handwriting expert James Cadigan also testified that the handwriting on the coupon was Oswald's.

On the order, there was the name of a D.F. Drittal, written in the section where a witness states that the person buying the weapon (Hidell) was a U.S. citizen and was not a felon.  The handwriting experts, Cole and Cadigan, both testified that the name D.F. Drittal was also written in Oswald's hands.

The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.  Cole testified that the signature and the handwriting on the post office box application belonged to Oswald.

Postal Inspector Harry Holmes testified that Oswald had previously rented a post office box in New Orleans, during the summer of 1963.  Oswald's New Orleans application and his Dallas application were found.  Unlike the Dallas post office box application, the New Orleans post office box application still had the portion which listed others who were able to receive mail at that post office box.  In the New Orleans application, Oswald included the names of both Marina Oswald and A.J. Hidell as those able to receive mail in that box.

Holmes spoke with Oswald on Sunday morning, the 24th.  Holmes asked Oswald about the Dallas post office box.  Oswald stated that he was the only one who received mail at that box and that he didn't receive any mail there that was addressed to any name other than his true name.  Holmes then asked Oswald about the box that Oswald rented in New Orleans earlier that year.  Oswald again stated that he was the only one permitted to receive mail at that p.o. box.  Holmes reminded Oswald that he (Oswald) had listed Marina Oswald as a person eligible to receive mail in that box.  Oswald's reply was basically "Well so what?  She was my wife and I see nothing wrong with that."  Holmes then reminded Oswald that one "A.J. Hidell" was also listed in the section on the application listing others eligible to receive mail in that post office box.  Holmes said that Oswald replied "I don't recall anything about that".

Oswald was caught in a lie.  The handwriting which permitted A.J. Hidell to receive mail at the New Orleans post office box belonged to Lee Oswald (per experts Cole and Cadigan).

Ballistic testing can determine whether or not an empty shell casing was fired from a specific weapon to the exclusion of every other weapon in the entire world.  Before shooting, the shell casing is placed against the breech face and the firing pin.  When the pin strikes the primer, the bullet is fired off and the shell casing is thrust against the breech face of the weapon.  This causes a permanent mark on the base of the empty shell, i.e. the distinctive fine lines etched onto the breech face put their "fingerprint" on the base of the empty shell.

Joseph Nicol (Superintendent of the Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation for the State of Illinois) along with Cortlandt Cunningham, Robert Frazier and Charles Killion (of the Firearms Identification Unit of the FBI Laboratory in Washington D.C.) each examined the shells found at the Tippit scene and Oswald's revolver, which he ordered from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Each of these experts determined that the shells were linked (through ballistics) to Oswald's revolver, to the exclusion of every other weapon in the world.


When a person has to distort the record ( As Bill Brown has done) it's a sure sign that the person is dishonest.....
 Let's correct Bill's distorted tale.

Helen Markham was on foot, walking south along Patton toward her bus stop, which was on Jefferson Boulevard.  Markham was just reaching the northwest corner of
Tenth and Patton when she noticed Tippit's patrol car  , (as he tailed a man who was walking east on the sidewalk on the south side of tenth. ) pass through the
intersection, heading east along Tenth Street.  Markham testified that the patrol car pulled up to a man who was walking on the sidewalk on the south side
of Tenth Street.  Helen Markham positively identified Lee Oswald as the man she saw talking to, and shoot, J.D. Tippit. (Actually Markham did no such thing..... She said she felt cold chills when she viewed the line up....THAT is NOT a positive identification.) testified that she saw Tippit's killer run
from the scene, heading down Patton with a gun in his hand. ( All other witnesses said that the killer WALKED AWAY ...he did not run.)

And just so you'll have accurate information to help you from making a fool of yourself in the future Mr Brown......I call your attention to the descriptions of the eyewitnesses who saw Tippit's killer walking away from the scene..... They all said that the killer removed ONE SHELL AT A TIME from his revolver ....That indicates that the killer was NOT using a Smith & Wesson revolver, because the S&W ejects all six chambers at once.   

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1866 on: April 10, 2020, 04:20:54 PM »


Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1867 on: July 21, 2020, 09:47:04 PM »
 I notice that John Mytton reprises his favorite Oswald did it thread as a seemingly redundant topic disguised as robustly new......
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2646.msg94689.html#msg94689

 

Domingo Benavides, who was closer to the actual shooting than anybody else, refused to participate in a line up because he felt he could not positively identify the killer,

This is one of the biggest pieces of BS  in the evidence surrounding the Tippit murder.....

A witness cannot refuse to participate in a line up....  Mrs Markham sure as hell didn't want to participate,... Was she given a choice??

The truth is; The cops didn't want Benavides to view a line up....Because he had seen the killer face to face and he had seen Lee Oswald's picture on TV and he knew that Lee was not the killer.   The cops sure as hell didn't want Benavides on record just as they didn't want Howard Brennan's failure to identify Lee Oswald in the Line up.
Consider the report of B. M. Patterson in his own words...
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date January 23, 1964

Mr. B.M. PATTERSON, 4635 Hartford Street, Dallas, Texas, currently employed by Wyatt's Cafeteria, 2647 South Lancaster, Dallas, Texas, advised he was present at the used car lot of JOHNNY REYNOLDS' on the afternoon of November 22, 1963.

PATTERSON advised that at approximately 1:30 PM, he was standing on JONNY REYNOLDS' used car lot together with L.J. LEWIS and HAROLD RUSSELL when they heard shots coming from the vicinity of 10th and Patton Avenue, Dallas, Texas. A minute or so later they observed a white male approximately 30 years of age, running south on Patton Avenue, carrying what appeared to be a revolver in his hand and was obviously trying to reload same while running. When the individual reached the intersection of Patton Avenue and Jefferson Street, he placed the weapon inside his waistband and began walking west on the north side of Jefferson Street. As the individual was walking WARREN REYNOLDS suggested that they follow the individual to determine, his location in order that they could later notify the Dallas Police Department. At this point, he was unaware that a police officer had been shot and thought perhaps that the shooting had resulted from some marital problem. As the individual reached Ballew's Texaco Service Station located in the 600 Block of Jefferson, the individual made a turn in a northerly direction and proceeded behind Ballew's Texaco Service Station where the individual discarded a jacket which was later recovered by the Dallas Police Department. The aforementioned individual was not observed again by either he, PATTERSON, or WARREN REYNOLDS.

PATTERSON was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD at which time he identified said photograph as being identical with the individual he had observed on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, running south on Patton Avenue with a weapon in his hand.

on 1/21/64 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 100-10461

By Special Agents VERNON MITCHEM and JOHN THOMAS KESLER - gj Date dictated 1/22/64
And then----
 
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AFFIDAVIT

PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF
PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY

I, B. M. Patterson, being duly sworn, depose as follows:

I now reside at Apartment 201, Habana Apartments, 1607 North Carroll, Dallas, Texas. On January 22, 1964, I was residing at 4635 Hartford Street, Dallas, Texas, and was then employed by Wyatt's Cafeteria, 2647 Lancaster, Dallas, Texas.

On January 22, 1964, I was interviewed by Special Agents John T. Kesler and Vernon Mitchem of the Federal Bureau of Investigation concerning what I had seen on November 22, 1963, as it related to Lee Harvey Oswald, the shooting of Dallas Police Officer, J. D. Tippit, and the assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

I have been shown the written report of the results of this interview by Special Agents John T. Kesler and Vernon Mitchem of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, on January 22, 1964.* While this transcription is basically and materially correct, I desire to make the following clarifications in regard to the contents of this report. This modification pertains to the second sentence of paragraph two. I choose to have the second referenced sentence changed to read as follows:

"A minute or so later, they observed a white male, approximately thirty years of age, running south on Patton Avenue, carrying a revolver in his hand and was obviously trying to reload it. He stopped still and then reloaded the gun."

In regard to the last paragraph of this report, I do not at this late date specifically recall having been exhibited a photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald, at the time of the interview of January 22, 1964, and desire that this paragraph be deleted as an official reporting of that interview.

I have read this written report and with the exception of the aforementioned notations, it reveals a correct report of what I saw on November 22, 1963.

Signed this 26th day of August 1964.
(S) B.M. Patterson,
B. M. PATTERSON.
In their zeal to thicken the case against Oswald.. it seems that the FBI acted here as de facto witnesses. 

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1868 on: August 28, 2020, 07:50:02 PM »
The cop shooter might probably have had Tippit's blood splattered on his clothes or shoes.
Yet nothing like this was presented as evidence against Oswald.
Did they even look? Did they even really want to?

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1869 on: August 29, 2020, 08:40:20 AM »
The cop shooter might probably have had Tippit's blood splattered on his clothes or shoes.
Yet nothing like this was presented as evidence against Oswald.
Did they even look? Did they even really want to?

If Oswald had none of Tippit's blood on his clothing, then what?  Would that somehow prove that Oswald therefore did not shoot Tippit?  You yourself just said the shooter " might probably" have had blood splattered on his clothes.  Your own words imply that it's hardly definitive.  So, what would it mean if there was no blood on Oswald's clothes?

This doesn't even address the obvious... that Oswald was not close enough to Tippit to have blood "splattered" on his clothes, anyway.
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1870 on: August 29, 2020, 01:29:49 PM »
This doesn't even address the obvious... that Oswald was not close enough to Tippit to have blood "splattered" on his clothes, anyway.
A typical straw argument. The type of 'research' I expected.
How would you or anyone else know how close the shooter was?
A coup d' gras' shot at close range to the head----The police automatically postulated that it would not have been close enough to make it worth their while to examine for blood splatter?
Reverse investigation...accuse someone and then apply what didn't happen  :-\

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1871 on: August 31, 2020, 04:11:01 AM »
If Oswald had none of Tippit's blood on his clothing, then what?  Would that somehow prove that Oswald therefore did not shoot Tippit?  You yourself just said the shooter " might probably" have had blood splattered on his clothes.  Your own words imply that it's hardly definitive.  So, what would it mean if there was no blood on Oswald's clothes?

This doesn't even address the obvious... that Oswald was not close enough to Tippit to have blood "splattered" on his clothes, anyway.

You could have just said "no".