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Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?

Plant LNers
1 (9.1%)
Plant CTs
5 (45.5%)
Plant both
1 (9.1%)
Plant neither
4 (36.4%)

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Offline John Mytton

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Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« on: January 09, 2018, 09:31:28 AM »
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Why don't we put it to a poll, to see which of us would likely be part of the coverup?



Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?


1. Planting a few LNers to reinforce the conclusions of the Warren Report is pointless because the "WC defenders" will always be outnumbered by the CT's and at first glance to any casual observer must be that majority rules. If anyone was going to plant LNers then it wouldn't be done in this piecemeal method on exhibition here but a full on army much like the organised CTs who gang up on the out numbered LNer day after day here in the trenches.

2. Planting CTs makes much more sense because you know who did what so you obviously steer the argument away from the "truth" into "Caprio country" and create so much messed up confusion by delivering a totally unrealistic 450+ threads all about nothing which presents contradicting ideas going in every way imaginable. Or like the other CTs who always focus on Oswald but don't seem to care about any conspiracy beyond that, so by focusing on only Oswald they dissuade any further exploration of the "truth" by purposely ignoring any discussion of who did what.

3. Planting Both seems like a waste of resources.

4. Planting None for an event that happened 54 years ago and which a fair percentage of the population considers to be  ancient history is probably the most sensible answer but what fun is that? Also what reinforces this belief of nonchalance is that even only 15 years later when the HSCA said there was a possible conspiracy nobody really battered an eyelid and it was barely newsworthy, and now half a century later the public care factor must be practically zero and unless some CT can tie someone BIG like LBJ into the conspiracy then any lower pleb that may have pushed some buttons would be publically met with a "well that's interesting, yawn"!


Btw when I started here I always found it odd that I was immediately categorized as a LNer because much like the public news polls I thought Oswald was guilty but certain events beyond Oswald's control needed some clarification and could lead to a conspiracy. So in other words I have been shoehorned into a belief system that I never truly felt comfortable with, who invented the term LNer and to what end?



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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2018, 09:36:30 AM »
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so far, the poll results are 50% for CT and 50% for LN plants




Yep we have yours and one other opinion, WOW!



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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2018, 01:23:14 PM »

Having plotters post on forums makes no sense. Hiring employees to make false documentaries makes a lot more sense. You would be mass communicating then. You could influence the opinions of millions.

The most effective way to influence opinions is to have high school teachers teach false theories. Early opinions have the best chance of becoming permanent opinions. The government has made no effort to do this. A high school student is more likely to learn that there was a conspiracy than to learn there probably was not.

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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2018, 03:17:26 PM »
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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2018, 05:18:54 PM »


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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 07:21:55 PM »
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And THAT, my friend, is, in a nut shell, why the LN's are here.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."
« Last Edit: January 09, 2018, 07:32:02 PM by Bob Prudhomme »

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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 07:30:39 PM »
"to employ propaganda assets to answer and refute the attacks of critics"

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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2018, 08:54:13 PM »
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Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?


1. Planting a few LNers to reinforce the conclusions of the Warren Report is pointless because the "WC defenders" will always be outnumbered by the CT's and at first glance to any casual observer must be that majority rules. If anyone was going to plant LNers then it wouldn't be done in this piecemeal method on exhibition here but a full on army much like the organised CTs who gang up on the out numbered LNer day after day here in the trenches.

2. Planting CTs makes much more sense because you know who did what so you obviously steer the argument away from the "truth" into "Caprio country" and create so much messed up confusion by delivering a totally unrealistic 450+ threads all about nothing which presents contradicting ideas going in every way imaginable. Or like the other CTs who always focus on Oswald but don't seem to care about any conspiracy beyond that, so by focusing on only Oswald they dissuade any further exploration of the "truth" by purposely ignoring any discussion of who did what.

3. Planting Both seems like a waste of resources.

4. Planting None for an event that happened 54 years ago and which a fair percentage of the population considers to be  ancient history is probably the most sensible answer but what fun is that? Also what reinforces this belief of nonchalance is that even only 15 years later when the HSCA said there was a possible conspiracy nobody really battered an eyelid and it was barely newsworthy, and now half a century later the public care factor must be practically zero and unless some CT can tie someone BIG like LBJ into the conspiracy then any lower pleb that may have pushed some buttons would be publically met with a "well that's interesting, yawn"!


Btw when I started here I always found it odd that I was immediately categorized as a LNer because much like the public news polls I thought Oswald was guilty but certain events beyond Oswald's control needed some clarification and could lead to a conspiracy. So in other words I have been shoehorned into a belief system that I never truly felt comfortable with, who invented the term LNer and to what end?



JohnM

Since you have admitted to not reading my series on the WC, why do you feel justified in commenting on it?

My series is built on one principle -- illustrate how each WC claim found in the WCR is NOT supported by the evidence found in the twenty-six volumes and CDs. That is it. And that is what scares you LNers. You would prefer that I espouse a bunch of theories or claims so you can use them to justify dimissing me as a kook. You still try to, but it rings hollow.

If any group hacked this site it had to be the LNers. Why? This site lost a lot of very good research by CTers that is no longer searchable or accessible. What did we lose from the LNers? Straw men. Hyperbole. Personal attacks. Repetitive regurgitation of the unsupported claims of the WCR. Basically nothing of value.

You left out one option in your poll. LNers impersonating CTers. Not all CTers are real
conspiracy believers. James/Jay/Jim Hess is but one example of this.
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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2018, 09:34:37 PM »
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What did we lose from the LNers? Straw men. Hyperbole. Personal attacks. Repetitive regurgitation of the unsupported claims of the WCR. Basically nothing of value.


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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
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Re: Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 09:59:07 PM »
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Having plotters post on forums makes no sense. Hiring employees to make false documentaries makes a lot more sense. You would be mass communicating then. You could influence the opinions of millions.

The most effective way to influence opinions is to have high school teachers teach false theories. Early opinions have the best chance of becoming permanent opinions. The government has made no effort to do this. A high school student is more likely to learn that there was a conspiracy than to learn there probably was not.



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Having plotters post on forums makes no sense.

Seriously, where do the Government Conspiracists direct their resources, there is JFK discussion on Facebook, YouTube, multiple Forums etc etc, then there is the Moon Conspiracy cover up dudes who also occupy all the above relevant chat rooms then there is the Contrail, 9/11 conspiracies who also require an army of civil servants to go in and support the government, so essentially we have hundreds perhaps thousands of places where people congregate to discuss and debate all these various conspiracies and every single one of these deluded deluded paranoid CTs thinks that they're so important that the government is picking specifically on them and their conspiracy theory.
As a personal anecdote I see the same accusations of "shill" all the time on my YouTube videos but usually they are reduced to this tactic when they can't present a coherent argument.

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Hiring employees to make false documentaries makes a lot more sense. You would be mass communicating then. You could influence the opinions of millions.

Where does the money trail go?
Who makes money from the assassination? Conspiracy authors?



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