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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Oswald's phone call
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2018, 12:20:59 AM »
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According to David Lifton, it was around 1970.
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Lifton believes the slip to be suspect. It was allegedly retrieved from the jail trash by someone to be kept as a souvenir.

 So the story by Hurts Wife that he said it before his death is incorrect?  Even if you are correct about the note how does any of this cast doubt on Ms Treon's statements?

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Offline Matt Grantham

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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2018, 12:24:33 AM »
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So the story by Hurts Wife that he said it before his death is incorrect? According to Treon she copied it out of a piece of paper in the trash  Even if you are correct about the note how does any of this cast doubt on Ms Treon's statements?

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Re: Oswald's phone call
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2018, 12:27:00 AM »
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So the story by Hurts Wife that he said it before his death is incorrect?

1970 was before his death.


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Even if you are correct about the note how does any of this cast doubt on Ms Treon's statements?

Who is/was Ms Treon and what were her statements?

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Re: Oswald's phone call
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2018, 12:35:45 AM »
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1970 was before his death.


Who is/was Ms Treon and what were her statements?

 For some reason Grover Proctor's site is now down, after being up all day I assume you had nothing to do with that? You can hear Proctor explain it at the early part of the Youtube video whose link I provided on my original post here In the meantime here is a partial summary of her story

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Re: Oswald's phone call
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2018, 12:51:02 AM »
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For some reason Grover Proctor's site is now down, after being up all day I assume you had nothing to do with that? You can hear Proctor explain it at the early part of the Youtube video whose link I provided on my original post here In the meantime here is a partial summary of her story

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Is it really her story though?

"Mrs. Alveeta A. Treon, made a statement concerning the
 events of that night to assassination researcher and attorney Bernard
 Fensterwald some five years after the assassination, but then refused to
 sign it on advice from her lawyer, according to Fensterwald."

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Re: Oswald's phone call
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2018, 01:29:31 AM »
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Is it really her story though?

"Mrs. Alveeta A. Treon, made a statement concerning the
 events of that night to assassination researcher and attorney Bernard
 Fensterwald some five years after the assassination, but then refused to
 sign it on advice from her lawyer, according to Fensterwald."


 I am not sure what you are referring to exactly Why did she need to sign anything? For what reason?

 Here is an interview between Proctor and Hurt

Excerpts of Interview with John David Hurt

PROCTOR:
Do you know any reason why Oswald would have tried to call you?
HURT:
I do not. I never heard of the man before President Kennedy's death. I was a
great Kennedyphile, and I would have been more inclined to kill him than
anything else.
PROCTOR:
Oswald, you mean.
HURT:
Yes
PROCTOR:
Did you place a call that day to the Dallas jail?
HURT:
No, I did not, and he didn't place a call to me either, I don't know how I
ever got [unintelligible].
PROCTOR:
Do you have any explanation as to why your name ...
HURT:
None whatever.
PROCTOR:
Do you have the telephone number 833-1253 (the second number on the slip) in
any of your business associations?
HURT:
No.
PROCTOR:
Did you in 1963?
HURT:
No, I did not.
PROCTOR:
That was the other number listed on the telephone slip beside your name.
HURT:
I don't know. My number has been the same for, oh, I'd say forty years.
PROCTOR:
In speaking with another investigator that called you about six years ago,
you indicated at that time that during World War II you were in the
Counterintelligence Division. Is that correct?
HURT:
That's correct.
PROCTOR:
You left that, and went into investigative work after the war.
HURT:
I was in insurance claims adjusting work, and I worked for a year for the
state as a [unintelligible].
PROCTOR:
Were you ever involved as an agent in the Defense Department's Industrial
Security Command?
HURT:
No, I was not.
PROCTOR:
So, once again, you have no knowledge of any call made from your number or
to your number that day?
HURT:
No knowledge whatsover.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's phone call
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2018, 01:32:22 AM »
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I am not sure what you are referring to exactly Why did she need to sign anything? For what reason?

Why was she asked to sign it and why did she refuse?

 
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Here is an interview between Proctor and Hurt

Excerpts of Interview with John David Hurt

PROCTOR:
Do you know any reason why Oswald would have tried to call you?
HURT:
I do not. I never heard of the man before President Kennedy's death. I was a
great Kennedyphile, and I would have been more inclined to kill him than
anything else.
PROCTOR:
Oswald, you mean.
HURT:
Yes
PROCTOR:
Did you place a call that day to the Dallas jail?
HURT:
No, I did not, and he didn't place a call to me either, I don't know how I
ever got [unintelligible].
PROCTOR:
Do you have any explanation as to why your name ...
HURT:
None whatever.
PROCTOR:
Do you have the telephone number 833-1253 (the second number on the slip) in
any of your business associations?
HURT:
No.
PROCTOR:
Did you in 1963?
HURT:
No, I did not.
PROCTOR:
That was the other number listed on the telephone slip beside your name.
HURT:
I don't know. My number has been the same for, oh, I'd say forty years.
PROCTOR:
In speaking with another investigator that called you about six years ago,
you indicated at that time that during World War II you were in the
Counterintelligence Division. Is that correct?
HURT:
That's correct.
PROCTOR:
You left that, and went into investigative work after the war.
HURT:
I was in insurance claims adjusting work, and I worked for a year for the
state as a [unintelligible].
PROCTOR:
Were you ever involved as an agent in the Defense Department's Industrial
Security Command?
HURT:
No, I was not.
PROCTOR:
So, once again, you have no knowledge of any call made from your number or
to your number that day?
HURT:
No knowledge whatsover.

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Re: Oswald's phone call
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2018, 01:34:00 AM »
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   Rob----- Thanks for putting your long posting on here. The detail you always have together on postings are so good . I can't believe I missed this on your first regular go around on these phone calls that were not put through. It makes you wonder what they might have been doing with his other request .

    Thanks again , Rob

You're welcome Mike. Thanks for reading it. This issue shows us that LHO most likely had a contact in intelligence and that he was prevented from making contact with him. The moment that LHO was made the patsy all contact with outside people was eliminated.

IMO this is why those few who were given access to LHO are suspicious.

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Re: Oswald's phone call
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2018, 01:37:23 AM »
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"If Lee Oswald was working for some intelligence service, it might make sense that he might try to contact it for help or instructions after he was arrested by the Dallas cops.

Or course, this notion is questionable in a lot of ways. If Oswald really was working for some intelligence service, it would be stupid for him to “blow his cover” by trying to contact his handlers. And if he had inferred that he had been manipulated and made a “patsy,” it would have made no sense to call the people who had manipulated and patisfied him to complain."



Tim, they hate it when they're bombarded with logic and common sense.

How would you know since LNers never bombard anyone with logic and common sense?

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Re: Oswald's phone call
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2018, 01:42:43 AM »
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According to David Lifton, it was around 1970.
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Lifton believes the slip to be suspect. It was allegedly retrieved from the jail trash by someone to be kept as a souvenir.

Oh please. Suspect because you don't want to believe it. The HSCA said it would have been an outgoing call too.

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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2018, 01:42:43 AM »