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Offline Mike Orr

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Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« on: May 02, 2018, 04:46:13 AM »
    Medical student Evalea Glanges: "There was a bullet hole in the windshield", a through and through bullet hole from front to back .

    Dallas motorcycle patrolmen Stavis Ellis and H. R. Freeman both observed a penetrating bullet hole in the limousine windshield at Parkland Hospital. Ellis told interviewer Gil Toff in 1971: " There was a hole in the left front windshield ... You could put a pencil through it. Freeman corroborated this, saying: "[I was] right beside it. I could have touched it ... It was a bullet hole .

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Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2018, 06:23:35 PM »
Secret Service Agent Charles Taylor, Jr.

Wrote a report on November 27, 1963 in which he detailed his activities providing security for the limousine immediately after the car’s return to Washington following the assassination. The JFK limousine and the Secret Service follow-up car known as the “Queen Mary” arrived at Andrews AFB aboard a C-130 propeller-driven cargo plane at about 8:00 PM on November 22, 1963. Agent Taylor rode in the Presidential limousine as it was driven from Andrews AFB to the White House garage at 22nd and M Streets, N.W. In his report about what he witnessed inside the White House garage during the vehicle’s inspection, he wrote: “In addition, of particular note was the small hole just left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed.”

[David Lifton, Best Evidence.1988 Edition pp 370-371]

 Add to this Altgens 7 which shows something looking a lot like a bullet hole in the windshield you seem to have pretty solid evidence of a bullet hole Yet the WC is completely silent in regard to the windshield?

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2018, 06:51:07 PM »
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Secret Service Agent Charles Taylor, Jr.

Wrote a report on November 27, 1963 in which he detailed his activities providing security for the limousine immediately after the car’s return to Washington following the assassination. The JFK limousine and the Secret Service follow-up car known as the “Queen Mary” arrived at Andrews AFB aboard a C-130 propeller-driven cargo plane at about 8:00 PM on November 22, 1963. Agent Taylor rode in the Presidential limousine as it was driven from Andrews AFB to the White House garage at 22nd and M Streets, N.W. In his report about what he witnessed inside the White House garage during the vehicle’s inspection, he wrote: “In addition, of particular note was the small hole just left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed.”

[David Lifton, Best Evidence.1988 Edition pp 370-371]

 Add to this Altgens 7 which shows something looking a lot like a bullet hole in the windshield you seem to have pretty solid evidence of a bullet hole Yet the WC is completely silent in regard to the windshield?


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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2018, 07:35:23 PM »
 I assume whatever Taylor is looking at in 1975 is not the entire windshield Do we have a chain of custody from Dallas 63 to 76?

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2018, 07:38:18 PM »
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Here is the "hole" in CE 351, the removed windshield is archived here You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.


Considering what the SS and the FBI did to scrub the limo of evidence, we don't have a clue what this windshield represents. Why remove it in the 1st place? Wasn't everything they did to the limo non-standard forensic protocol and tampering with evidence?

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2018, 07:48:47 PM »
 Thanks Jack It appeared to be at least a hole on whichever side the windshield is facing I assume the picture is oriented to view the outside of the windshield It is not clear whether it is through and through from that angle Did any experts ever compile reports of these holes?

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2018, 08:56:23 PM »
Mr. George Whitaker, Sr., a senior manager at the Ford Motor Company's Rouge Plant in Detroit, Michigan, told attorney (and professor of criminal justice) Doug Weldon in August of 1993, in a tape recorded conversation, that after reporting to work on Monday, November 25th , he discovered the JFK limousine -- a unique, one of a kind item that he unequivocally identified -- in the Rouge Plant's B building, with the interior stripped out and in the process of being replaced, and with the windshield removed. He was then contacted by one of the Vice Presidents of the division for which he worked, and directed to report to the glass plant lab, immediately , After knocking on the locked door(which he found most unusual), he was let in by two of his subordinates and discovered that they were in possession of the windshield that had been removed from the JFK limousine. They had been told to use it as a template, and to make a new windshield identical to it in shape -- and to then get the new windshield back to the B building for installation in the Presidential limousine that was quickly being rebuilt. Whitaker told Weldon ( quoting from the audiotape of the 1993 interview): "And the windshield had a bullet hole in it, coming from the outside through...it was a good , clean bullet hole, right straight through, from the front. And you can tell, when the bullet hits the windshield, like when you hit a rock or something, what happens> The back chips out and the front may just have a pinhole in it...this had a clean round hole in the front and fragmentation coming out the back." Whitaker told Weldon that he eventually became superintendent of his division and was placed in charge of five plant divisions. He also told Weldon that the original windshield, with the bullet hole in it, had been broken up and scrapped---as ordered ---after the new windshield had been made. After George Whitakers death in 2001, his family released his written testament to Nigel Turner, who with their permission revealed Mr. Whitaker's name , as well as the text of his "memo for history," in episode 7 of " The Men Who Killed Kennedy ", " The Smoking Guns "

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2018, 09:36:25 PM »
Is the damage also visible on the FBI photo's, token in the White house Garage in Washington?


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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2018, 09:48:12 PM »
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    Medical student Evalea Glanges: "There was a bullet hole in the windshield", a through and through bullet hole from front to back .

    Dallas motorcycle patrolmen Stavis Ellis and H. R. Freeman both observed a penetrating bullet hole in the limousine windshield at Parkland Hospital. Ellis told interviewer Gil Toff in 1971: " There was a hole in the left front windshield ... You could put a pencil through it. Freeman corroborated this, saying: "[I was] right beside it. I could have touched it ... It was a bullet hole .

Is there any credible chain of possession for this windshield?

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2018, 10:44:27 PM »
 So if was indeed a bullet that came from the front I assume it would have come from the overpass if it hit JFK?

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2018, 10:44:27 PM »