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Offline Jack Trojan

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« Reply #104 on: October 20, 2019, 10:36:21 PM »
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It's much simpler than that. Oswald was the designated patsy and DeMorinschilds was his handler. Oswald was an Angleton singleton agent extracted from the fake defector program (patsy pool) and represented Plan B, backup to Plan A in Chicago with Oswald's counterpart, Thomas Arthur Vallee. The BYPs were all part of the sheep-dipping. Oswald knew he was the designated patsy and hoped the feds had his back.

The DPD/SS likely dragged Marina out to take a pic with the Imperial Reflex but not 6 or more pics. Otherwise, no one could be so wrong about the number of pics they took without lying about it.

I'm a photogrammetrist and I know how to identify and measure lens distortion and how it affects the imagery. IMO, the differences in the spherical aberration of the following 2 back yard photos prove they were not taken with the same camera. CE-399A  was way too good to have been taken with the crap Imperial Reflex (CE-399BCDE)  Did Marina claim to have switched from the Imperial Reflex to the Minox spy camera during the BYP shoot for the money shot CE-399A?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's lies proves his guilt.
« Reply #105 on: October 20, 2019, 11:23:46 PM »
It's much simpler than that. Oswald was the designated patsy and DeMorinschilds was his handler. Oswald was an Angleton singleton agent extracted from the fake defector program (patsy pool) and represented Plan B, backup to Plan A in Chicago with Oswald's counterpart, Thomas Arthur Vallee. The BYPs were all part of the sheep-dipping. Oswald knew he was the designated patsy and hoped the feds had his back.

The DPD/SS likely dragged Marina out to take a pic with the Imperial Reflex but not 6 or more pics. Otherwise, no one could be so wrong about the number of pics they took without lying about it.

I'm a photogrammetrist and I know how to identify and measure lens distortion and how it affects the imagery. IMO, the differences in the spherical aberration of the following 2 back yard photos prove they were not taken with the same camera. CE-399A  was way too good to have been taken with the crap Imperial Reflex (CE-399BCDE)  Did Marina claim to have switched from the Imperial Reflex to the Minox spy camera during the BYP shoot for the money shot CE-399A?



Oswald knew he was the designated patsy and hoped the feds had his back.

Possibly.....But I would say that Lee recognized that he was playing a very dangerous game...( just as he had at Walker's) one in which he could be a scapegoat (patsy) and hoped the feds had his back....He didn't merely "hope" the FBI had his back...Because he thought that he was working undercover for the FBI....He had been assured that the FBI would protect him, if things went haywire.   He'd gone to the FBI to try to warn them of a plot to assassinate JFK.....( The alarming note) that he thought would bring an FBI agent looking for him....and then he could reveal the plot that he'd heard was afoot ....  A plot that used the hoax attempt that he was involved in.   He suspected that he could be made a patsy in an actual assassination attempt but he was assured that the Feds knew about the plot and  had everything under control. 

PS....Recall what he said at the midnight "press appearance"  ....when he requested "someone" to come to his legal defense....
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« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2019, 12:21:39 PM »
So is Marina lying when she said she took the pictures? How do we explain Oswalds signature?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2019, 02:26:07 PM »
So is Marina lying when she said she took the pictures? How do we explain Oswalds signature?
She lied every time that she spoke. The photographs are forgeries and so is any signature. Who would so incredibly incriminate themselves? It is absolutely ludicrous. The '6th floor rifle' [a side mounted sling] is not the same as the one in the picture [where the sling is mounted on the bottom]


The rifles were not shipped equipped with scope and sling ::)

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« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2019, 02:35:24 PM »
So is Marina lying when she said she took the pictures? How do we explain Oswalds signature?

So is Marina lying when she said she took the pictures?

Pictures....Plural...   Yes, she was lying, she never took more than one BY photo (CE 133A) ....But she wanted to be cooperative with the authorities so she said she took two photos both (CE 133A and CE 133B )..... Then several years later another BY photo surfaced.   This third photo had been in the possession of Geneva White, the widow of a Dallas police officer, Roscoe White.

Lee had Marina take the Photo CE 133A....   He developed it and retouched it, and made several copies of that photo...He sent one copy to a communist news paper, he autographed one for his daughter June,  and he autographed one for George De Morhenschildt ...... 

That photo is ridiculously phony....  Because it depicts Lee as being a armed and ready communist revolutionary.....and he most certainly was NOT a communist revolutionary. He was an American secret agent. 

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2019, 02:49:13 PM »
She lied every time that she spoke. The photographs are forgeries and so is any signature. Who would so incredibly incriminate themselves? It is absolutely ludicrous. The '6th floor rifle' [a side mounted sling] is not the same as the one in the picture [where the sling is mounted on the bottom]


The rifles were not shipped equipped with scope and sling ::)

Who would so incredibly incriminate themselves?

Someone who was trying to deceive another party... and trick them into believing the person in the photo was something ( a communist Revolutionary) that he was not.
 
It is absolutely ludicrous

You're right the BY photo is a ludicrous characterization ...

Offline Ray Mitcham

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« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2019, 02:50:35 PM »
So is Marina lying when she said she took the pictures?

Pictures....Plural...   Yes, she was lying, she never took more than one BY photo (CE 133A) ....But she wanted to be cooperative with the authorities so she said she took two photos both (CE 133A and CE 133B )..... Then several years later another BY photo surfaced.   This third photo had been in the possession of Geneva White, the widow of a Dallas police officer, Roscoe White.

Lee had Marina take the Photo CE 133A....   He developed it and retouched it, and made several copies of that photo...He sent one copy to a communist news paper, he autographed one for his daughter June,  and he autographed one for George De Morhenschildt ...... 

That photo is ridiculously phony....  Because it depicts Lee as being a armed and ready communist revolutionary.....and he most certainly was NOT a communist revolutionary. He was an American secret agent.

Don't forget, she said she held the reflex camera up to her eye when she allegedly took the photos, despite the fact that the camera didn't have a viewfinder for taking photos that way.

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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2019, 02:52:34 PM »
She lied every time that she spoke. The photographs are forgeries and so is any signature. Who would so incredibly incriminate themselves?

The old "there is so much evidence of Oswald's guilt that he must be innocent" argument.  Criminals sometimes do dumb things that result in being convicted.  The prisons are full of such people.  But even so, this argument makes no sense.  At the time Oswald posed for the pictures, he had no idea that he would be assassinating JFK and leaving his rifle for the authorities to find.  Rather, he intended to shoot Walker and hide the rifle.  Thus escaping without detection.  Which is exactly what happened.  Oswald wasn't implicated in the Walker shooting because he posed for these pictures.  So even your bizarre argument that he wouldn't have left so much evidence that he was guilty is based on a false premise. Oswald was cultivating some type of fantasy that he was a revolutionary with the goal of going to Cuba.  He was a nut.  And nuts often do these types of bizarre things.

In the JFK situation, Oswald understood that there was no committing the act and getting away.  He knew the outcome was death or arrest.  That is part of the calculation in assassinating the president in broad daylight in the presence of numerous people and law enforcement.  As evidenced by his leaving his wedding ring and most of his money with Marina.  He was willing to accept that outcome in committing the act.   He wanted to be someone of historical note and was willing to die for that purpose.  The evidence left behind doesn't matter in that context.  And there was nothing much he could do about the BY pictures because they had been sent to others. This is where CTers ask why Oswald fled the scene if he knew that he was doomed.  The obvious answer is that he had nothing to lose.  Criminals often flee even when their situation is hopeless.  OJ, the Boston bombers etc.  What did he have to lose?  Nothing.  He just played out his hand to the end.
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