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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's lies proves his guilt.
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2018, 08:59:09 PM »
Why is there any reason whatsoever to suggest there is doubt about what was said other than your unwillingness to take the word of those present - the only people who could know what was said?

The people who were present don't even agree on what was said.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2018, 09:06:21 PM »
And just to be clear the evidence he did is that Marina said she saw it. The picture and the curtain rods? Not trying to be smarmy just wanting to make sure I am not missing anything?

The evidence that he did is that Marina said she saw it, George De Mohrenschildt said he saw it, Jeanne De Mohrenschildt said she saw it, the backyard photos, the Waldman exhibits, the Klein's money order, the WC testimony of Klein's Vice President William Waldman, and Oswald's palm print being on the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2018, 09:09:46 PM »
And a mountain of evidence like the testimony Marina that she took the BY pictures,

You mean the Marina who originally said that she took one photo with a black camera that is held up to the face?

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2018, 09:13:15 PM »

While in custody Oswald LIED whenever the rifle was discussed.

1. Oswald lied about owning the rifle.
2. Oswald lied that the backyard photos weren't authentic.
3. Oswald said he never saw the BY photos before but his handwriting was discovered on one.
3. Oswald lied about putting the long package on the back seat of Frazier's car.
4. Oswald told Frazier the long package contained curtain rods but told the Dallas Police that it contained his lunch.
5. Oswald lied about living at Neeley Street, (the location of the incriminating backyard photos)
6. Oswald told Fritz at the time of the assassination he had lunch with Jarman, another lie.
7. Oswald denied that he told Frazier that the reason for his unexpected visit was for curtain rods.

Something doesn't become a lie just because John Mytton doesn't believe it's true

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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2018, 09:17:50 PM »
First of all, LHO didn't have to say anything as that was his right. All these years later not one LNer has provided evidence showing that he waived his right.

Secondly, we can't take anything that the authorities CLAIMED LHO said at face value since there are NO recordings. The authorities could tell us he said anything since there is no way of knowing.

Finally, there is NO supporting evidence for any of the things that you claimed LHO lied about, thus, none of them are facts so the term  "lie" is not appropriate.


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Secondly, we can't take anything that the authorities CLAIMED LHO said at face value since there are NO recordings. The authorities could tell us he said anything since there is no way of knowing.

If the authorities were lying about what Oswald said or did not say in an effort to make him appear guilty, then why not just come out and make the (false) claim that Oswald admitted that he owned the rifle?  Why stop short of that?


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Online Bill Brown

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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2018, 09:21:06 PM »
Yes I suppose those points are worthy for those not willing to consider a conspiracy I too would question such people on why they believe Oswald's fingerprints were lifted at the morgue onto the rifle

Please explain the process used to extract prints from a dead body at the morgue.

Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2018, 09:23:12 PM »
The evidence that he did is that Marina said she saw it, George De Mohrenschildt said he saw it, Jeanne De Mohrenschildt said she saw it,

How does seeing an object tell you anything about who owns it?

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the Waldman exhibits, the Klein's money order, the WC testimony of Klein's Vice President William Waldman,

These tell you nothing about Oswald.

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and Oswald's palm print being on the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

No.  A partial palm print identified as Oswald's turned up a week later on an index card.

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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2018, 09:29:01 PM »
Oswald's lies proves his guilt.

Even if you could show that Oswald told a lie, the only thing that would be proof of is that he told a lie, not murder.

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Online Matt Grantham

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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2018, 09:31:23 PM »
Please explain the process used to extract prints from a dead body at the morgue.

  Take fingertips press onto rifle

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Re: Oswald's lies proves his guilt.
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2018, 09:38:05 PM »
The evidence that he did is that Marina said she saw it, George De Mohrenschildt said he saw it, Jeanne De Mohrenschildt said she saw it, the backyard photos, the Waldman exhibits, the Klein's money order, the WC testimony of Klein's Vice President William Waldman, and Oswald's palm print being on the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

 Is the following incorrect

On November 22nd Lt. Day of the Dallas Police examined the rifle and discovered little evidence of prints except on the metal housing near the trigger, where there were traces of two prints. Then, according to Day, the FBI ordered him not to make a comparison between these prints and Oswald's prints, so he discontinued his work, with no print evidence established.

On November 23rd the rifle was brought to an FBI Laboratory in Washington for inspection. Sebastian Latona examined the rifle that morning and concluded that the print marks on the rifle were insufficient for identification purposes. In fact he stated that it looked like the rifle hadn't even been processed for prints, suggesting that Lt. Day did not carry out any investigations for prints. This prompted FBI Director Hoover to sign a statement confirming that no latent prints of value were lifted from the rifle.

On November 24th Dallas Police Officers were reporting in public interviews that Oswald's prints were not found on the rifle.

Also on Nov 24th, just hours after Oswald was killed the rifle was brought back to Dallas by the FBI, and brought to the funeral home where Oswald's body lay. And according to the funeral home director and the statements from the FBI agents involved, they, the FBI, proceeded to place Oswald's palm print on the rifle (for comparison purposes according to the FBI).

On Nov 26th Lt. Day now claims he found Oswald's palm prints on the rifle on Nov 22nd. This part is the evidence that the WC used ignoring the other confusing and contradictory evidence.

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