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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Oswald's lies proves his guilt.
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2018, 02:55:50 AM »
Over the years? Are we referring to some middle aged Oswald?



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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2018, 03:02:01 AM »

While in custody Oswald LIED whenever the rifle was discussed.

1. Oswald lied about owning the rifle.
2. Oswald lied that the backyard photos weren't authentic.
3. Oswald said he never saw the BY photos before but his handwriting was discovered on one.
3. Oswald lied about putting the long package on the back seat of Frazier's car.
4. Oswald told Frazier the long package contained curtain rods but told the Dallas Police that it contained his lunch.
5. Oswald lied about living at Neeley Street, (the location of the incriminating backyard photos)
6. Oswald told Fritz at the time of the assassination he had lunch with Jarman, another lie.
7. Oswald denied that he told Frazier that the reason for his unexpected visit was for curtain rods.

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Before you start claiming that Oswald lied, why don't you first prove that this is indeed what he said?

Online Ray Mitcham

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2018, 10:19:47 AM »
Before you start claiming that Oswald lied, why don't you first prove that this is indeed what he said?

This could be interesting.

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Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2018, 03:04:34 PM »
Before you start claiming that Oswald lied, why don't you first prove that this is indeed what he said?

The same lazy nonsense over and over.  And from the guy who forever claims he is not suggesting a conspiracy or frame up.  Why is there any reason whatsoever to suggest there is doubt about what was said other than your unwillingness to take the word of those present - the only people who could know what was said?  What you are suggesting is that everything that points to Oswald guilt must be suspect for that reason alone but without explaining why.  It's laughable.  The old CTer catch-22.

Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2018, 03:10:58 PM »
First of all, LHO didn't have to say anything as that was his right. All these years later not one LNer has provided evidence showing that he waived his right.

Secondly, we can't take anything that the authorities CLAIMED LHO said at face value since there are NO recordings. The authorities could tell us he said anything since there is no way of knowing.

Finally, there is NO supporting evidence for any of the things that you claimed LHO lied about, thus, none of them are facts so the term  "lie" is not appropriate.

Whether Oswald had legal rights to remain silent or have counsel is not relevant to whether he lied.  In a trial, it would be relevant but here on planet earth it's not.  You have severe difficulty understanding that point.   If there had been "recordings" you would just claim those were faked as well.  How about asking yourself why the authorities would allow Oswald to speak to the press is they were so concerned with controlling what he said?  There is no supporting evidence of his lies?  You mean other than the confirmation of those present?  And a mountain of evidence like the testimony Marina that she took the BY pictures, that Oswald owned a rifle, and Frazier's testimony that Oswald carried a long package that morning that he claimed contained curtain rods.  And you are the guy who finds Oswald "suspicious" and believe he was "involved" but never utter a single word against him.  Everyone else must be lying but never your hero Oswald.

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Offline Matt Grantham

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2018, 03:19:20 PM »
 Yes I suppose those points are worthy for those not willing to consider a conspiracy I too would question such people on why they believe Oswald's fingerprints were lifted at the morgue onto the rifle

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's lies proves his guilt.
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2018, 03:37:00 PM »
The same lazy nonsense over and over.  And from the guy who forever claims he is not suggesting a conspiracy or frame up.  Why is there any reason whatsoever to suggest there is doubt about what was said other than your unwillingness to take the word of those present - the only people who could know what was said?  What you are suggesting is that everything that points to Oswald guilt must be suspect for that reason alone but without explaining why.  It's laughable.  The old CTer catch-22.

Why is there any reason whatsoever to suggest there is doubt about what was said other than your unwillingness to take the word of those present - the only people who could know what was said?

Because those are the people who contradicted eachother on key points in their obviously incomplete non-verbatim reports.

What you are suggesting is that everything that points to Oswald guilt must be suspect for that reason alone

I am not suggesting that at all. Stop making up crap!

If and when a solid piece of evidence points to Oswald's guilt, I'll gladly accept it as such, but that's a far cry from taking some guy's word for it in after the fact reports written from memory and in the knowledge that Oswald was already dead!

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Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2018, 07:15:40 PM »
Why is there any reason whatsoever to suggest there is doubt about what was said other than your unwillingness to take the word of those present - the only people who could know what was said?

Because those are the people who contradicted eachother on key points in their obviously incomplete non-verbatim reports.

What you are suggesting is that everything that points to Oswald guilt must be suspect for that reason alone

I am not suggesting that at all. Stop making up crap!

If and when a solid piece of evidence points to Oswald's guilt, I'll gladly accept it as such, but that's a far cry from taking some guy's word for it in after the fact reports written from memory and in the knowledge that Oswald was already dead!

How about citing some of these "contradictions" from those actually present relating the statements attributed to Oswald in the OP?  Did anyone indicate, for example, that Oswald admitted ownership of the rifle or that he was in the BY pictures?  Is there any contradiction among those present on Oswald's responses to those basic points?  Why would anyone think that the police would make up statements in which Oswald is basically denying guilt?   If they were going to falsify statements, then why not say he confessed after he is dead.  What you always circle back to is trying to create an impossible standard of proof to imply false doubt about the facts.   No one could prove anything from history to your subjective satisfaction if the response to any evidence was just that there is implicit doubt because someone recounted what they heard or saw from "memory."  It's always "possible" they all got it wrong.  LOL.  What is being suggested is not just that those present characterized what Oswald said in slightly different ways (which might be expected) but those present lied about it for some unknown reason. 

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2018, 08:00:58 PM »
Before you start claiming that Oswald lied, why don't you first prove that this is indeed what he said?

What is your standard for what constitutes as proof? James Bookhout, Will Fritz, James Hosty, Thomas Kelley, and Harry Holmes all said that Oswald denied owning a rifle.

Offline Matt Grantham

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2018, 08:24:50 PM »
What is your standard for what constitutes as proof? James Bookhout, Will Fritz, James Hosty, Thomas Kelley, and Harry Holmes all said that Oswald denied owning a rifle.

And just to be clear the evidence he did is that Marina said she saw it. The picture and the curtain rods? Not trying to be smarmy just wanting to make sure I am not missing anything?

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