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Offline Ross Lidell

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #70 on: May 16, 2018, 11:42:44 PM »
And therefore somebody who saw a rifle (or a projection) saw a man firing it whether they actually did or not?  Really?

That's not my argument -- that's your strawman.  You said "several witnesses saw a man firing a rifle from the TSBD".  The amount of gymnastics you're doing to try to rhetorically justify that is amazing.  No, Ross, you're wrong.  Brennan didn't see a man firing a rifle.  Jackson did not see a man at all.  He said so.

It doesn't matter what you guess that 1963 people would assume.  Jackson did NOT see a man firing a rifle.  And no amount of gymnastics will change the fact that Jackson said "I saw no one in the window".  And it's mind boggling that you would try to claim otherwise.

I'm not responsible for what you think I implied.  You are a liar, because you said "several witnesses saw a man firing a rifle from the TSBD", and continue to defend that in spite of all evidence to the contrary.  It's not splitting hairs -- it's called being truthful.  If you can't even tell the truth about the evidence, then where does that leave you?

John... set aside your hair-splitting contrariness for a moment.

Who do you think was shooting from the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 CST on 22 November 1963?

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #71 on: May 16, 2018, 11:50:02 PM »
John... set aside your hair-splitting contrariness for a moment.

Who do you think was shooting from the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 CST on 22 November 1963?

Sigh....

Did "several witnesses see a man firing a rifle from the TSBD"?  Or is that a false statement?

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2018, 12:45:03 AM »
Sigh....

Did "several witnesses see a man firing a rifle from the TSBD"?  Or is that a false statement?

John... You're one of the most prolific contributors to the JFK Assassination Forum. It's inconceivable that you don't have an opinion on the most fundamental aspect of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

I ask again: Who do you think was shooting from the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 CST on 22 November 1963? 

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2018, 07:21:59 PM »
John... You're one of the most prolific contributors to the JFK Assassination Forum. It's inconceivable that you don't have an opinion on the most fundamental aspect of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

I ask again: Who do you think was shooting from the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 CST on 22 November 1963?

So you're going to change the subject, rather than admit that you made a false claim about the witnesses?  Noted.

I have no idea who was shooting from the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 CST on 22 November 1963, or even if anybody was.  There is insufficient evidence to make a determination.

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2018, 12:23:12 AM »

I have no idea who was shooting from the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 CST on 22 November 1963, or even if anybody was.  There is insufficient evidence to make a determination.

That's because at least one witness reported what he thought was a gun barrel being withdrawn into the window, Euins and Brennan reporting they saw a man shooting from there, witnesses on the fifth floor reporting they could hear the rifle being worked directly above them and particles from the rifle concussion falling on them -- in addition to 3 expended cartridges being found in the SE corner exactly where they said the shots came from is 'insufficient evidence' to conclude shots were fired from there.

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2018, 09:21:15 PM »
That's because at least one witness reported what he thought was a gun barrel being withdrawn into the window, Euins and Brennan reporting they saw a man shooting from there, witnesses on the fifth floor reporting they could hear the rifle being worked directly above them and particles from the rifle concussion falling on them -- in addition to 3 expended cartridges being found in the SE corner exactly where they said the shots came from is 'insufficient evidence' to conclude shots were fired from there.

But if Oswald was the patsy then the odds he was actually doing the shooting was nearly zero, right?

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #76 on: May 21, 2018, 01:13:17 PM »
So you're going to change the subject, rather than admit that you made a false claim about the witnesses?  Noted.

I have no idea who was shooting from the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 CST on 22 November 1963, or even if anybody was.  There is insufficient evidence to make a determination.
Did "several witnesses see a man firing a rifle from the TSBD"?  Or is that a false statement?
Amos Euins saw the rifle in the window being fired from the SN. Three witnesses below the SN heard the rifle being fired. Harold Norman heard the rifle bolt action being operated three times after three shots were fired. Three shells were found on the floor of the SN. Bob Jackson and Mrs. Cabell saw what looked like the barrel of a rifle projecting from the SN. The rifle that fired CE399 was found in the SN.

One does not need several witnesses seeing the rifle being fired from the SN to conclude that a rifle was fired from the SN.

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2018, 05:12:04 PM »
Amos Euins saw the rifle in the window being fired from the SN. Three witnesses below the SN heard the rifle being fired. Harold Norman heard the rifle bolt action being operated three times after three shots were fired. Three shells were found on the floor of the SN. Bob Jackson and Mrs. Cabell saw what looked like the barrel of a rifle projecting from the SN. The rifle that fired CE399 was found in the SN.

One does not need several witnesses seeing the rifle being fired from the SN to conclude that a rifle was fired from the SN.

Perhaps you should THINK about what the witnesses actually said.    None of he witnesses saw a rifle being fired from the SE corner window.   Only one person saw a man in the act that could have been the firing of a rifle....Howard Brennan said that he saw a man AIMING a HUNTING RIFLE out of a window. Brennan said that the man was STANDING and aiming the hunting rifle.   Therefore the man was NOT behind the SE corner window....  Because that SE corner window was hot open far enough to allow a man to STAND and aim a rifle down toward Elm street.

Amos Euins saw a "pipe like" thing sticking out of a window

Harold Norman is a blatant liar.....   He said that he heard the rifle being operated on the sixth floor above his head but Bonnie Ray Williams and Junior Jarman were right there with Norman and they heard nothing on the floor above their heads. And what's more Norman described the sounds as quote.." Boom...click...clack...boom...click...clack....boom "   Liar Norman also said that he heard the sounds of the shells falling on the floor.... but He did not....Because if he had heard the sounds of the shells falling on the floor the noise he heard would have been ....

Boom...click...PING...clack...boom...click...PING...clack....boom.....

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2018, 05:33:58 PM »
Amos Euins saw the rifle in the window being fired from the SN. Three witnesses below the SN heard the rifle being fired. Harold Norman heard the rifle bolt action being operated three times after three shots were fired. Three shells were found on the floor of the SN. Bob Jackson and Mrs. Cabell saw what looked like the barrel of a rifle projecting from the SN. The rifle that fired CE399 was found in the SN.

One does not need several witnesses seeing the rifle being fired from the SN to conclude that a rifle was fired from the SN.

Show us where Mrs Cabell said she saw what looked like the barrel of a rifle projecting from t he SN, Andrew.

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2018, 09:42:48 PM »
Show us where Mrs Cabell said she saw what looked like the barrel of a rifle projecting from the SN, Andrew.

Mrs. Cabell said she heard the sound and jerked her head up and saw a "projection" from the sixth floor window and immediately said “Earle, it is a shot”.  So she observed something projecting out of the window that caused her to conclude that a shot had been fired.  Now let me see, I wonder what that could be.

Here is what she said (7H486):
    Mrs. CABELL. Because I heard the direction from which the shot came, and I just jerked my head up.
    Mr. HUBERT. What did you see?
    Mrs. CABELL. I saw a projection out of one of those windows. Those windows on the sixth floor are in groups of twos.
    Mr. HUBERT. What was this projection?
    Mrs. CABELL. I cannot tell you. It was rather long looking, the projection.
    ....
    Mr. HUBERT. What did it seem like? An arm of an individual, or something
    mechanical?
    Mrs. CABELL. I did not know, because I did not see a hand or a head or a
    human form behind it. It was in just a fleeting second that I jerked my head
    up and I saw something in that window, and I turned around to say to Earle,
    “Earle, it is a shot”,


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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
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