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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2018, 03:47:00 PM »
The Warren Commission’s Case Against Oswald
By Leo Sauvage
The New Leader, 22 November 1965, pages 16–21

"...Howard L. Brennan—one of the Commission’s star witnesses, along with Marina Oswald and Helen
 Markham—was presented as an apparent discovery of the Commission.

Yet Brennan’s statements had appeared in the press from the start of the investigation in Dallas.

Nobody at that time took him seriously, and it was necessary to await the Warren Report to learn
that “Howard L. Brennan made a positive identification of Oswald as being the person at the window.”

Leafing back in the Report to the chapter on “The Assassin,” and its section titled “Eyewitness
Identification of Assassin,” we learn that “Brennan testified that the man in the window was standing
when he fired the shots,” while the Report is obliged to recognize that “the half-open window, the
arrangement of the boxes, and the angle of the shots virtually preclude a standing position.”

The conclusion of the Commission is that Brennan was mistaken in saying that the man was standing,
but not mistaken in identifying (from the sidewalk opposite the building) the man sitting behind a
half-open sixth-floor window..."


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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
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The Warren Commission’s Case Against Oswald
By Leo Sauvage
The New Leader, 22 November 1965, pages 16–21

"...Howard L. Brennan—one of the Commission’s star witnesses, along with Marina Oswald and Helen
 Markham—was presented as an apparent discovery of the Commission.

Yet Brennan’s statements had appeared in the press from the start of the investigation in Dallas.

Nobody at that time took him seriously, and it was necessary to await the Warren Report to learn
that “Howard L. Brennan made a positive identification of Oswald as being the person at the window.”

Leafing back in the Report to the chapter on “The Assassin,” and its section titled “Eyewitness
Identification of Assassin,” we learn that “Brennan testified that the man in the window was standing
when he fired the shots,” while the Report is obliged to recognize that “the half-open window, the
arrangement of the boxes, and the angle of the shots virtually preclude a standing position.”

The conclusion of the Commission is that Brennan was mistaken in saying that the man was standing,
but not mistaken in identifying (from the sidewalk opposite the building) the man sitting behind a
half-open sixth-floor window..."



 I am a little unclear on the last paragraph The WC is just asserting that the man was half sitting and ignoring the discrepancy while still ascribing the complete significance of a reliable ID of Oswald? Sounds about right

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2018, 06:49:47 PM »
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Mr. BRENNAN. Subconsciously I knew what he was firing at. But immediately I looked towards where President Kennedy's car should be, and there was something obstructing my view. I could not see the President or his car at that time.

By the time the serial embellisher wrote his book, that changed.

Simultaneous with the third shot, I swung my eyes back to the Presidential car which had moved on down to my left on Elm, and I saw a sight that made my whole being sink in despair. A spray of red came from around the President’s head. I knew the bullet had struck its intended target.

Another strange coincidence:  Brennan just happened to think the exact same words that John Connally said.

I saw Governor John Connally reacting to being wounded and the instinctive response of his wife to try and help him. I remember thinking, “Oh my God! He’s going to kill them, he’s going to kill them all!” The immensity and horror of what I was witnessing almost overwhelmed me. I wanted to cry, I wanted to scream, but I couldn’t utter a sound. I could only watch the whole monstrous drama unfold.

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By the time the serial embellisher wrote his book, that changed.

Simultaneous with the third shot, I swung my eyes back to the Presidential car which had moved on down to my left on Elm, and I saw a sight that made my whole being sink in despair. A spray of red came from around the President’s head. I knew the bullet had struck its intended target.

Another strange coincidence:  Brennan just happened to think the exact same words that John Connally said.

I saw Governor John Connally reacting to being wounded and the instinctive response of his wife to try and help him. I remember thinking, “Oh my God! He’s going to kill them, he’s going to kill them all!” The immensity and horror of what I was witnessing almost overwhelmed me. I wanted to cry, I wanted to scream, but I couldn’t utter a sound. I could only watch the whole monstrous drama unfold.

Simply disgraceful. I believe his book was published after he passed away so it is difficult to determine if he actually wrote that or a ghost writer.

Just have a read of DVP's review of his book

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Keep in mind the difference in the way the WC treated Brennan in comparison to Rowland.

If Rowland was able to ID the gunman as LHO he would have been THE star witness for the WC. We all know how it ended up.

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 I am a little unclear on the last paragraph The WC is just asserting that the man was half sitting and ignoring the discrepancy while still ascribing the complete significance of a reliable ID of Oswald? Sounds about right

LBJ's Special Select Cover Up committee (aka The Warren Commission) knew full well that Howard Brennan was a key witness who had to be discredited...and those of you who sneer at Howard Brennan are playing right into the WC hands, just as they planned.

Howard Brennan had gave a a sworn affidavit about an hour after the coup d e'tat and in that affidavit he reported that the man he had seen with a "HIGH POWERED RIFLE"  ( aka hunting rifle) not an old military rifle, and the man was dressed in light colored khaki clothing.   Lee Oswald didn't even own any light colored khaki clothing.....and he certainly didn't own a big game hunting rifle.   

On that basis alone LBJ's cover up committe needed to discredut Howard Brennan....but in addition to Brennan describing a man who clearly was NOT Lee Oswald ...He also described the man as STANDING and aiming the hunting rifle ( He thought it could have been a 30-30 Winchester) out of a window that could NOT have been the SE corner window.....because that SE window was not open far enought tp allow a man to stand behind it and aim a rifle down onto Elm street.   

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 I am a little unclear on the last paragraph The WC is just asserting that the man was half sitting and ignoring the discrepancy while still ascribing the complete significance of a reliable ID of Oswald? Sounds about right

The WC NEEDED someone, anyone, to ID the gunman as LHO. Hence the critical importance of Brennan. So, if he was EVENTUALLY able to make a positive ID, when Lee was stone cold dead, it meant the WC was able to bypass every issue of the found evidence. In their thinking, Lee was the assassin, and hence he brought in CE 139 in CE 142, fired the weapon, then ran down the NW stairwell and ended up in the second floor lunch room. What was the problem? No one saw Lee do any of those things.
Brennan saw somone stick a rifle out the window. He didn't even see the rifle discharge.
His description of the gunman would of fitted half the men in Dallas. At least he told the truth at the line up. Then, the back peddling commenced.

Shameful.

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Simply disgraceful. I believe his book was published after he passed away so it is difficult to determine if he actually wrote that or a ghost writer.

Just have a read of DVP's review of his book

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Keep in mind the difference in the way the WC treated Brennan in comparison to Rowland.

If Rowland was able to ID the gunman as LHO he would have been THE star witness for the WC. We all know how it ended up.

LOL, DVP exaggerates almost as much as Brennan!

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The WC NEEDED someone, anyone, to ID the gunman as LHO. Hence the critical importance of Brennan. So, if he was EVENTUALLY able to make a positive ID, when Lee was stone cold dead, it meant the WC was able to bypass every issue of the found evidence. In their thinking, Lee was the assassin, and hence he brought in CE 139 in CE 142, fired the weapon, then ran down the NW stairwell and ended up in the second floor lunch room. What was the problem? No one saw Lee do any of those things.
Brennan saw somone stick a rifle out the window. He didn't even see the rifle discharge.
His description of the gunman would of fitted half the men in Dallas. At least he told the truth at the line up. Then, the back peddling commenced.

Shameful.

The WC NEEDED someone, anyone, to ID the gunman as LHO. Hence the critical importance of Brennan. So, if he was EVENTUALLY able to make a positive ID, when Lee was stone cold dead,

Initially Brennan REFUSED to cooperate with the DPD when they insisted that it was Lee Oswald that he saw with a rifle behind a TSBD window.  But after the DPD warned him ( threatened)  that he had been seen on TV and his name and address given and therefore the commies who were part of Lee Oswald's band of commies might harm his family if he didn't keep his mouth shut....and it would be prudent for him to ID Lee Oswald and keep him in jail.  Then Brennan saw Lee oswald shot to death while being escorted by the very cops who he had informed that the man with the rifle that he saw was NOT present in the line up....that's when Brennan came to realize that he and his family  were in serious danger....

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LOL, DVP exaggerates almost as much as Brennan!

When a CTer does the same - it is called "cherry picking", when a LNer does it, it is called "enhancement"  ;D

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The WC NEEDED someone, anyone, to ID the gunman as LHO. Hence the critical importance of Brennan. So, if he was EVENTUALLY able to make a positive ID, when Lee was stone cold dead,

Initially Brennan REFUSED to cooperate with the DPD when they insisted that it was Lee Oswald that he saw with a rifle behind a TSBD window.  But after the DPD warned him ( threatened)  that he had been seen on TV and his name and address given and therefore the commies who were part of Lee Oswald's band of commies might harm his family if he didn't keep his mouth shut....and it would be prudent for him to ID Lee Oswald and keep him in jail.  Then Brennan saw Lee oswald shot to death while being escorted by the very cops who he had informed that the man with the rifle that he saw was NOT present in the line up....that's when Brennan came to realize that he and his family  were in serious danger....

Walt,

Howard was in a terrible position - damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

However, once committed, he had to carry the consequences. Did he seriously think a "Commie Conspiracy" was suddenly going to disappear once Lee was murdered in front of ~70 Law enforcement Officers on National TV?

I actually feel very sorry for him.

"Brennan, however, turned out to be unreliable and unhelpful. He claimed that the gunman had been standing up when firing, although the half– open window required any gunman to have crouched or kneeled. He claimed to have seen the gunman’s trousers, which would not have been visible from Brennan’s viewpoint on the street 60 feet or 18 metres below. When asked whether he had actually seen the firing of the rifle, he replied, “No.” He claimed that on hearing the first shot, “I looked up at the building. I then saw this man I have described in the window and he was taking aim with a high powered rifle. I could see all of the barrel of the gun.” Brennan’s reaction to the first shot is visible on the Zapruder film: standing directly opposite the sixth– floor window, he watches Kennedy’s car go past him to his left, then from about frame 204 he in fact turns his head sharply to his right, away from the TSBD, rather than up toward the sixth floor. He attended a line– up on the day of the assassination, but “said he was unable to make a positive identification,” despite already having seen Oswald’s picture on television. A few weeks later, his memory improved and he informed the FBI that he could identify Oswald. The next month, he changed his mind again and “appeared to revert to his earlier inability to make a positive identification.” In the absence of any other plausible candidates, the Commission nominated Brennan as the source of the Dallas police radio despatcher’s description of the gunman, but his limited credibility as a witness raises uncomfortable questions about the actual source. The House Select Committee on Assassinations declined to use Howard Brennan’s testimony. 18

Bojczuk, Jeremy. 22 November 1963: A Brief Guide to the JFK Assassination (Kindle Locations 422-435). Boxgrove Publishing. Kindle Edition.

What did the WR say?

Although the record indicates that Brennan was an accurate observer, he declined to make a positive identification of Oswald when he first saw him in the police lineup. 286 The Commission, therefore, does not base its conclusion concerning the identity of the assassin on Brennan's subsequent certain identification of Lee Harvey Oswald as the man he saw fire the rifle. Immediately after the assassination, however, Brennan described to the police the man he saw in the window and then identified Oswald as the person who most nearly resembled the man he saw. The Commission is satisfied that, at the least, Brennan saw a man in the window who closely resembled Lee Harvey Oswald, and that Brennan believes the man he saw was in fact Lee Harvey Oswald.

Commission, Warren; House Select Committee on Assassinations; Assassination Records Review Board; U.S. Government. Complete Guide to the 1963 JFK Assassination: The Full Text of Three Major Reports - Warren Commission, House Select Committee, and the Assassination Records Review Board - President John F. Kennedy (Kindle Locations 2690-2695). Progressive Management. Kindle Edition.

Maybe Brennan saw Michael Paine?  ;D



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