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Online Matt Grantham

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2018, 10:59:25 PM »
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His (Oswald's) hands got nitrates on them when he used his Smith & Wesson revolver to murder Office JD Tippit.

 Just barium and antimony which you apparently could get from handling books

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2018, 10:59:25 PM »


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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2018, 11:05:09 PM »
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Just barium and antimony which you apparently could get from handling books

As I said: In 1963 paraffin tests were essentially worthless.

Did Lee Harvey Oswald do any work on the morning of Friday 22 November 1963? If he didn't, your theory is worthless.

Incidentally, can you prove the books/barium & antimony assertion?

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2018, 11:33:35 PM »
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As I said: In 1963 paraffin tests were essentially worthless.

Did Lee Harvey Oswald do any work on the morning of Friday 22 November 1963? If he didn't, your theory is worthless.

Incidentally, can you prove the books/barium & antimony assertion?
Nope It looks like the quote came from the idea that they are relatively ubiquitous Can't find anything to establish what a baseline amount would be for the average non shooter 

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2018, 12:15:37 AM »
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Did Lee Harvey Oswald do any work on the morning of Friday 22 November 1963?

Yes.

Mr. BALL - On the 22d of November 1963, did you see him come to work that morning?
Mr. SHELLEY - No, he was at work when I got there already filling orders.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see Lee Harvey Oswald at any time during that day?
Mr. TRULY. I am almost certain that I saw him early that morning as I came in, and spoke to him.
Mr. BELIN. And where was he when you saw him?
Mr. TRULY. I think he was around the front part of the Scott, Foresman bins.
Mr. BELIN. On what floor?
Mr. TRULY. On the first floor.
Mr. BELIN. Was he filling orders?
Mr. TRULY. Apparently; yes, sir. I don't recall too close. But I am almost certain that I talked to him that morning.

Mr. BALL - Did you talk to Oswald that morning?
Mr. JARMAN - I did.
Mr. BALL - When?
Mr. JARMAN - I had him to correct an order. I don't know exactly what time it was.
Mr. BALL - Oh, approximately. Nine, ten?
Mr. JARMAN - It was around, it was between eight and nine, I would say.

Mr. BALL. Did you remember seeing him at any time that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; around about 10 or 10:15, somewhere in the neighborhood of that.
Mr. BALL. Where did you see him?
Mr. NORMAN. Over in the bins by the windows, I mean looking out, you know, at Elm Street, towards Elm Street.
Mr. BALL. On what floor?
Mr. NORMAN. The first.
Mr. BALL. Looking out on Elm through windows, is that right?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. I was looking out the window. He happened to come by to fill orders.

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2018, 03:05:58 AM »
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In 1963: The Paraffin test was known to be essentially worthless. It was prone to false positives and false negatives. It was used to trick naive suspects into giving a confession.

However, you seem to believe in the effectiveness of the paraffin test. Does that mean that you accept that Lee Harvey Oswald fired "a gun" on Friday 22 November 1963? You know... the Smith & Wesson revolver with which he shot Office JD Tippit. The discarded bullet hulls from the gun being found near the crime scene were matched to the weapon to the exclusion of all others.

If not: How do you think Oswald got "nitrates" on his hands on Friday 22 November 1963?

So why did they bother to administer it then?

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2018, 03:08:24 AM »
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But not his hands apparently

He scrubbed his face without using his hands I guess. 🤣

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2018, 03:10:42 AM »
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The Carcano rifle was hot immediately after Lee Harvey Oswald "fired" the three shots that killed President Kennedy. However the rifle was not "fried".

There isn't evidence showing that CE 139 was fired on November 22, 1963, let alone LHO fired it.

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2018, 03:56:40 AM »
In an April 3 [2000] telephone interview with Regh Templin, an expert in firearms and tool mark analysis at the Wisconsin State Crime Lab for over 17 years, Templin stated that there is not now and never was a test to administer on a firearm to give an approximate time period as to when a firearm has been fired.


    mcadams.posc.mu.edu/factoid1.htm

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2018, 10:06:42 PM »
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There isn't evidence showing that CE 139 was fired on November 22, 1963, let alone LHO fired it.
It was just one of my jests. I drew attention to "fried" instead of "fired"... in the original post before a spelling correction. For something to be "fried" it has to be hot.

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2018, 12:37:54 AM »
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It was just one of my jests. I drew attention to "fried" instead of "fired"... in the original post before a spelling correction. For something to be "fried" it has to be hot.

Okay...So does it bother you at all that it was never shown that CE 139 was fired on November 22, 1963?

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Re: Three Tests Proved Oswald's Innocence
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2018, 12:37:54 AM »