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Online Matt Grantham

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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2018, 05:19:04 PM »
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"The most curious discovery of all took place when they rolled me off the stretcher, and onto the examining table. A metal object fell to the floor, with a click no louder than a wedding band. The nurse picked it up and slipped it into her pocket. It was the bullet from my body, the one that passed through my back, chest and wrist and worked itself loose from my thigh.” [that's on page 18, BTW]

Looks like the it's stated in the third person, does it not?
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 Maybe It still lends credibility that the event happened ]

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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2018, 05:42:04 PM »
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It was Connally himself who totally debunked this hypothesis, when he wrote in his book  “In History Shadow” (1994)– black on white – “

Connally died in 1993.

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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2018, 05:50:23 PM »
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Maybe if I have time I will look at some more of this, but is the quote attributed  as being in Connally's  book in there or isn't it?

It is in there. Again, I encourage you to read Gary Murr's take on that.

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Matt, are you aware that it is written in Nellie's book  “From Love Field”  that a nurse handed her a metal object that had fallen from Connally?

Online Matt Grantham

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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2018, 08:26:35 PM »
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It is in there. Again, I encourage you to read Gary Murr's take on that.

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Matt, are you aware that it is written in Nellie's book  “From Love Field”  that a nurse handed her a metal object that had fallen from Connally?

 I read it and for me, it didn't seem to add anything I had not already heard Unless it is reference to the idea to the book in question It sounds like there was a posthumous editor?

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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2018, 04:37:41 AM »
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"The most curious discovery of all took place when they rolled me off the stretcher, and onto the examining table. A metal object fell to the floor, with a click no louder than a wedding band. The nurse picked it up and slipped it into her pocket. It was the bullet from my body, the one that passed through my back, chest and wrist and worked itself loose from my thigh.” [that's on page 18, BTW]

Looks like the it's stated in the third person, does it not?
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 Maybe It still lends credibility that the event happened


Well, if the best credibility you can ascribe to it comes loaded with "maybe" and "lend," then there's not that much credibility to it in the first place.

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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
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Online Matt Grantham

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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2018, 05:31:33 AM »
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Well, if the best credibility you can ascribe to it comes loaded with "maybe" and "lend," then there's not that much credibility to it in the first place.

It is true that I phrase certain types of claims, especially those regarding witness testimony, with less than absolute certainty however in the example you gave I do agree I went to far in being hedgy It would have been better to have said it without the maybe Thus it should have read

 

 It still lends credibility that the event happened


 I have ;little doubt if I wrote in terms of a greater level of certainty that would be worthy of criticism as well

 No it is not stated in the third person It does not state another person told him these facts

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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2018, 05:45:19 AM »
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It is true that I phrase certain types of claims, especially those regarding witness testimony, with less than absolute certainty however in the example you gave I do agree I went to far in being hedgy It would have been better to have said it without the maybe Thus it should have read

 It still lends credibility that the event happened


 I have little doubt if I wrote in terms of a greater level of certainty that would be worthy of criticism as well

 No it is not stated in the third person It does not state another person told him these facts

Here's the quote again:

"The most curious discovery of all took place when they rolled me off the stretcher, and onto the examining table. A metal object fell to the floor, with a click no louder than a wedding band. The nurse picked it up and slipped it into her pocket. It was the bullet from my body, the one that passed through my back, chest and wrist and worked itself loose from my thigh.”

How is it not stated in the third person active? The only time "me" or "I'" appears is as part of an adverbial phrase of a sentence who's subject is "discovery." Compare that to all the times he says things like "I see...", "I felt...", "I heard..." etc. 

With that out of the way, you are correct if you meant that Connally didn't specifically say that someone else told him the bullet falling story. But that's not important. He also didn't say that someone told him about the SS agents jumping from the Queen Mary and heading right for the TSBD, but we know that he didn't see that himself.  The important thing is, you can compare his earlier testimony to the different passages in the book. What he'd previously testified to is stated in the first person, while the things that are completely wrong, like the aforementioned SS assault on the TSBD front door, are stated in third person. 

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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2018, 06:58:37 PM »
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The question becomes, how can we filter what Connally directly remembers from what he divined from other sources?

And therein lies the problem with witness testimony.  You can ask the same question about any witness in the case.

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Re: Bobby Nolan's Bullet
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2018, 06:58:37 PM »