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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2018, 02:47:46 AM »
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Said who?

The FBI?

Mr David Belin?

Who?

Victoria Adams, when she referred to encountering Lovelady and Shelley upon reaching the first floor.
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2018, 02:48:16 AM »
Correct - but how did Dorothy know they did Tim?

According to Barry Ernest, she heard them on the stairs.

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2018, 03:42:11 AM »
It is interesting Tim, that BOTH Lovelady and Shelley had no recollection of this first floor "encounter" with Adams just several months later.

So if you believe in Victoria's "recollection" of seeing and speaking with Lovelady and Shelley how come both men don't support her version of events?

Memory loss by both Lovelady and Shelley?  ;D

Lovelady and Shelley both recalled remaining on the steps of the building for three to four minutes after the shooting. Memory loss by both Lovelady and Shelley?

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2018, 03:44:41 AM »
That version wasnt what was officially published, hence is null and void. You do not know the circumstances on what she read and when she saw her WC testimony years later she had no recollections of seeing Lovelady and Shelley's name.

I can give you an example where ONE error was changed and included in someone else's WC testimony. So why bother asking for her to read the document, sign it and then fail to incorporate the changes?

Haven't you read the memos that were sent out to the WC staffers and how they were to treat testimony and changes?

What you fail to comprehend was that neither Adams nor Styles were key material witnesses as neither saw anyone on the NW stairwell when they used them.

Why the bother with Adams then? She wasnt the key material witness - Dorothy Garnerwas.

Why didn't Mr David Belin call up Garner in order to sort this out?

How is it null and void Tony?  She signed it and notated it. In doing so, she confirmed that she did indeed testify that she encountered Lovelady and Shelley upon reaching the first floor.

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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2018, 10:11:58 PM »
There was only one version that she notated and signed. That's the one that matters here.

I don't feel compelled to explain why her corrections were ignored by the Warren Commission.

You can't prove that she notated the page that mentions Lovelady and Shelley.  She said that she did not encounter them.

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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2018, 10:15:50 PM »
Wasn't used Tim. Hence one can call into question the ENTIRE document and its origins.

The Stroud document lists all of the corrections of which NONE were implemented.

What does this suggest to you Tim?

By your logic, the Stroud document is null and void. Therefore, I guess we just go with what the WC published, right? Adams encountered Lovelady and Shelley upon reaching the first floor.

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2018, 10:43:09 PM »
The Adams, Styles, Lovelady and Shelly meeting was used by the WC to decide when Adams and Styles descended
You have one out of four people in an encounter, recorded as having reported it occurring, and that one person now denies that it occurred and insist that the record was altered.
No one else, even with prompting from counsel, can remember it.
The Stroud document has Garner giving a testimony that would invalidate a late descent.

There were 4 women together on the 4th floor, 2 of them descend. It just beggars belief that the other two woman weren't officially used to confirm when the descent occurred.


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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2018, 11:08:02 PM »
Tim,

The Stroud document is an official document from the United States Attorney that was signed and addressed to Rankin.

Why weren't the contents of that document actioned by the WC? In the letter was a crucial piece of information involving a TSBD employee which may have potentially resulted in the identification of the assasin.

The multi million dollar blue chip panel did nothing to resolve this. Or the contents of the Stroud document were not forwarded on.

Why Tim?

The Stroud document is no more of an official document than the transcript copy that Victoria Adams notated and signed.