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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #80 on: May 02, 2018, 05:49:34 AM »

Another point to consider.

Mr. Frazier heard that shots had been fired from the building. He heard a rifle had been found in the building. He heard that Oswald had disappeared from the scene and the police were looking for him.

Did Mr. Frazier immediately go to the police and tell them about the long package Oswald brought to work with him that morning?

No. He did not.

What were the consequences of not doing so?

A grilling for several hours while the police pressured him into not confessing.



Mr. Truly was an older and likely wiser man. Unlike Frazier, as soon as Oswald entered his mind as a possible suspect, he started acting. He knew it would be unfortunate to help someone, however innocently, if that person was the assassin. If he tells the police nothing, and they find out that Oswald is the main suspect, the police are going to start wondering:

** How is it Mr. Truly just happened to be on hand to ?guide? Officer Baker.

** Why did Mr. Truly ?guide? Officer Baker to an elevator that was not working. Doesn?t he know which elevators are working and wouldn?t he be able to immediately tell if the elevators were locked up?

** Why didn?t Mr. Truly first lead Officer Baker up the stairs where they would have immediately found Oswald, possibly coming down the stairs. Was Mr. Truly trying to delay Officer Baker long enough for Oswald to reach the second floor and get to the other stairs?

** Why didn?t Mr. Truly make immediate inquires into which employees were there at the time of the shooting but had now disappeared?

If Mr. Truly did nothing, he might have ended up being grilled for hours by the police.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2018, 09:16:28 AM »

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More of classic Elliott obfuscation piling up trying to hide what is actually known:




FACT: By Truly's own admission to the WC he can not rationalize why Oswald should be considered "missing" at the time given by Truly.

FACT: Truly does not ask Oswald's coworkers if they have seen him.

Affidavit by Mr. Truly on November 23, 1965:

?I overhead someone say that the shot came from the window of our building.?
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?Some fifteen minutes later I was checking our employees and did not find Lee. I asked Mr. Shelly if he had seen Lee. He said no. I then contacted Chief Lumpkin and told him Lee was missing.?




FACT: Time of Oswald reported missing according to Truly is off by 45 minutes.

People?s memory of the exact time of events is often off. Particularly memories that are months old. Are we to expect everyone to write down the exact time and the thought every time a new thought occurs to them? And the exact time of each action, of each inquiry? Such errors are to be expected of ordinary witnesses. The absence of these sorts of errors would be a better indicator of conspirators carefully following a script.



FACT: No explanation as to why an APB was out on Givens although Truly saw him leave prior to shots fired.

Anyone seen leaving BEFORE the shots should be considered a suspect ahead of Oswald? Of having some connection to the rifle that was found? Explain.



FACT: Lumpkin and Aiken not called by the WC to investigate difference in timeline (Truly vs Fritz).

FACT: Shelley not asked any questions why he starts looking for Oswald as per affidavit.

Making a mountain out of a molehill. The Warren Commission did not have an infinite amount of time and some things are bound to fall through the cracks. CTers, like Mark Lane, had lots of time to question those people on these points. Why didn?t they, if this was just an important matter?  This question Sorensen is certain to dodge.



FACT: Sorensen?s ?Facts? are either irrelevant, not important or not facts at all.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2018, 08:26:49 PM »
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Initially, Mr. Truly could not tell for certain. But Oswald was by himself about 75 to 90 seconds after the assassination, so there would be a good chance he was by himself during the assassination.

When Mr. Truly?s suspicions first formed, he didn?t immediately go to the police. He made discrete inquiries with his employees about Oswald?s whereabouts. Likely one of them would have volunteered that while they didn?t know where Oswald was now, they knew where he was during the shooting, if any of them knew. I doubt there was an employee who didn?t guess why Mr. Truly wanted to see him. It probably wouldn?t be to start work on another book order.

By the time Mr. Truly took his suspicions to the police, he could be reasonably be certain Oswald was no longer in the building and pretty sure that he was by himself during the shooting.



But, my question stands. Which other employee was:

1.   My himself during the shooting.
2.   Inside the building, during the shooting.
3.   Left the building and Dealey Plaza right after the shooting.




Is there anyone else who definitely fits this?

So much for your claim that "Only Oswald fits this, as far as Mr. Truly knew"

But how do you even know now that 1 and 2 are true?  You don't -- you're just assuming them.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2018, 08:26:49 PM »

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #83 on: May 02, 2018, 08:29:12 PM »
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Did Mr. Truly find Mr. Dougherty at a location that suggested he was trying to leave the building right after the last shot?

???

Are you suggesting that Mr. Truly found Oswald at a location that suggested he was trying to leave the building?  How do you figure?

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #84 on: May 02, 2018, 08:36:20 PM »
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Mr. Frazier heard that shots had been fired from the building. He heard a rifle had been found in the building. He heard that Oswald had disappeared from the scene and the police were looking for him.

Where did you get the idea that Frazier heard any of these things before he left?

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« Reply #84 on: May 02, 2018, 08:36:20 PM »

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2018, 03:21:33 AM »

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???

Are you suggesting that Mr. Truly found Oswald at a location that suggested he was trying to leave the building?  How do you figure?

If Officer Baker and Mr. Truly passed by an assassin who murdered the President and immediately tried to leave the building, they would have met such a person near the stairs and near the second floor. Perhaps on the first floor. Perhaps on the third. But near there.

The only person Officer Baker and Mr. Truly near this location just happened to be Oswald.




There is no other location. An assassin could come down the elevator, but they would know it was operating. There is only one set of stairs from the upper floor down to the second floor. Mr. Truly knew the building and would know all of that. Only by jumping out a window could an assassin attempting to flee the building immediately and not cross paths with Officer Baker and Mr. Truly.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2018, 03:23:07 AM »

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Where did you get the idea that Frazier heard any of these things before he left?


What else were the employees talking about just before heading down to the police station. The weather for the weekend?

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« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2018, 03:23:07 AM »

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2018, 11:22:41 PM »
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If Officer Baker and Mr. Truly passed by an assassin who murdered the President and immediately tried to leave the building, they would have met such a person near the stairs and near the second floor. Perhaps on the first floor. Perhaps on the third. But near there.

The only person Officer Baker and Mr. Truly near this location just happened to be Oswald.

Bull.  What about Eddie Piper?

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2018, 11:22:41 PM »

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #88 on: May 03, 2018, 11:24:48 PM »
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What else were the employees talking about just before heading down to the police station. The weather for the weekend?

That doesn't answer my question.  Where did you get the idea that Frazier heard that shots had been fired from the building, heard a rifle had been found in the building, and heard that Oswald had disappeared from the scene and the police were looking for him, BEFORE he left?

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« Reply #89 on: May 03, 2018, 11:43:35 PM »
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Only Oswald left the building and left the plaza immediately. No one can give me the name of anyone else who definitely did so as well.

Bull again.  Rob has posted these names several times:

Gloria Jean Holt
Sharon Simmons Nelson
Bonnie Richey
Carolyn Arnold
Mrs. Donald Baker
Judy Marie Johnson
Ms. Stella Mae Jacob
Charles Givens
Virginia H. Barnum
Vida Lee Whatley

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