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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2018, 12:57:18 AM »

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And it?s natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, it?s natural for him to think of Oswald.

Selfserving argument!

Having seen Oswald on the 2nd floor just seconds after the shooting could just as easily have given Truly the impression that Oswald probably wasn't the 6th floor shooter.


It took Mr. Truly and Officer Baker about 75 seconds after the last shot to reach the second floor landing. Why should Truly assume that Oswald could not have reached the second floor in 75 seconds as well?

Oswald actually has less distance to cover than Officer Baker, who lost some time while he and Truly waited for an elevator that never came.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2018, 12:57:18 AM »

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2018, 03:24:02 AM »

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So the man who actually brought the rifles into the TSBD two days before, Warren Caster, never crossed his mind according to you. Sure, that makes sense. NOT!

The official narrative is ridiculous. This issue clearly shows the conspiracy in action.



Questions:

Did Warren Caster come to the building at all that day?

If he did, did he leave the building?

Did Roy Truly know Oswald as long and as well as he knew Warren Caster?




I think there could be a lot of reasons why Warren Caster would not be the first one to come to mind. Should Mr. Truly think of everyone he ever saw handling a rifle before thinking of Oswald? Even if they had not come into the building that day and then disappeared?

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2018, 03:57:59 AM »

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Joe Elliott made the pathetic claim that it was natural for Truly to think of Oswald, as soon as he found out that the shots were fired from his building, when in fact there was nothing natural about it. Truly had just vouched for Oswald. No rational thought process would make him select Oswald as the "natural" choice. 



I doubt Roy Truly would have vouched for Oswald if he had thought the shots had come from that building. Once he learned the shots had come from the building, the unthinkable became the thinkable. One of his employees may have been the assassin. Any of his employees, who were not with him, might be the assassin.

Imagine how Mr. Truly might think things may look to the police. Shots are fired from the TSBD. Within a minute, Officer Baker rushes into the building. Mr. Truly ?just happens? to be conveniently on hand ?to guide? the officer. He only wants to help the police. The officer confronts a man, who, if he was the shooter, just traveled roughly the same distance Mr. Baker did, indeed, less. But Mr. Truly vouches for the man and leads the officer away from him up to the upper floors.

Imagine what the police are going to think if it turns out that Oswald immediately disappeared and Mr. Truly never mentions this to the police ? Are the police really going to shrunk and ignore all this? The police grilled young Wesley Buell Frazier for hours for a lot less. If Oswald is the assassin, Mr. Truly needs to start acting now, go to the police, right away.



Was Oswald the only person Mr. Truly mentioned? I imagine not. Does anyone know that Mr. Truly did not ever talk to the police about Warren Caster?s rifle?



Martin, it is you who is resorting to pathetic claims. Basically, there are two possibilities:

1.    Truly told the police about Oswald apparently leaving the building because he belated learned the shots had come form the building and one of his employees, perhaps the man he vouched for, could be the assassin.

2.   Truly told the police about Oswald apparently leaving the building because he wanted Oswald to be caught.

It is you who pretends that one of these possibilities is not worthy of consideration, not me. It is you who is grasping at straws.


While Possibility 2 may be true, I think there are strong reasons against it.

** The evidence really does look live Oswald alone killed the President.

** If Truly?s mission is to get Oswald caught, why vouch for Oswald? Why not say something like ?I think the shots came from above, from this building. Where were you, Oswald? Why weren?t you with the others?? That can result in Oswald being caught right away, instead of letting him get away and tell God knows who all he knows. The sooner Oswald is in police custody the better.

** If the answer is, so Oswald can also be framed for the murder of Officer Tippit, is this really necessary? Might the Dallas Police be really angry when they suspect they were doubled crossed and one of their officers sacrificed? Don?t they really need the cooperation of the Dallas Police go frame Oswald? Couldn?t they arrange for the murder of someone who does not come from a group whose cooperation they really, really need over the next few days?


Possibility 1 is simple and straight forward. Possibility 2 involving assuming there was a conspiracy that made all sorts of non-sensical decisions. Like letting Oswald get away for a while.



In any case, one can?t assume that Possibility 1 makes no sense, no sense what-so-ever and so that Possibility 2 is the only answer. That is just not logical reasoning.
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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2018, 03:57:59 AM »

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2018, 04:08:21 AM »

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Did Warren Caster come to the building at all that day?

No, he was absent. Was Mr Truly aware of this?



Why should Mr. Truly suspect someone who he never saw that day over someone who he knows was in the building that day?

Should we expect Mr. Truly to tell the police about all the people he ever saw handle a rifle before he mentions Oswald?

And do we even know that Mr. Truly never told the police about Warren Caster?s rifle?



And if Mr. Truly saw a policeman confront Oswald on Wednesday and Warren Caster show a rifle on Friday, then, yes, I would think it would appear strange for Mr. Truly to tell the police about Oswald and not Caster. But that?s not the way it happened.



And maybe Mr. Truly thought he knew Caster well but didn?t know Oswald all that well. And if Caster was guilty, why would he be showing the rifle to anyone? That thought alone might eliminate Caster as a suspect in Mr. Truly?s mind.
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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2018, 04:19:17 AM »

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How did Mr Truly rule out Jack Dougherty as a potential assassin/co-conspirator as he saw him on an upper floor higher than the second floor lunch room?



Would an assassin likely be lingering on the upper floors? Wouldn?t an assassin likely get away.

And, if it turns out the assassin was Dougherty, at least Mr. Truly did not persuade the police to let him go while he was being held at gunpoint.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2018, 05:54:42 AM »

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And do we even know that Mr. Truly never told the police about Warren Caster?s rifle?

I would say the ONLY reason why Caster's name and the rifles ever got brought up was what Lee told Fritz about seeing the rifles in Mr Truly's possession.



I would like something more than your say so.

Do we know that Mr. Truly told the police about Oswald leaving the building but did not say he saw Caster with a rifle?

If so, let?s hear the evidence.

For all we know, Mr. Truly mentioned both.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2018, 08:08:31 AM »
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No, like Richard, you just made that up to keep your fantasy alive.

Representative FORD. Had there been any traits that you had noticed from the time of his employment that might have made you think then that there was a connection between the shooting and Oswald?
Mr. TRULY. Not at all. In fact, I was fooled so completely by the sound of--the direction of the shot, that I did not believe still did not believe maybe I could not force myself to believe, that the shots came from that building until I learned that they found the gun and the shells there. So I had no feeling whatever that they did come from there.

No fantasy seeing Oswald appear, in Martin's 'just seconds' after the last shot. Are you sure someone else here isn't keeping a fantasy of his own alive by?seemingly?implying that 75-90 seconds was too little time ('just seconds) to make the  descent?

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2018, 05:09:01 PM »
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The official narrative is so silly as it tells us that Truly vouches for LHO in the second floor lunchroom, but suspects him him a short time later to the point of notifying the authorities. Ridiculous.

Exactly right!!......

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2018, 02:05:59 PM »
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I guess the FBI, DP and WC totally ignored Arnold Rowland then  ;)

Mr. CASTER. Well, I left the Depository during the noon hour and had lunch and, while out for the lunch hour, I stopped by Sanger-Harris sporting goods department to look for a rifle for my son's birthday---I beg your pardon, Christmas present--son's Christmas present, and while I was there I purchased the single-shot .22--single shot--and at the same time was looking at some deer rifles. I had, oh, for several years been thinking about buying a deer rifle and they happened to have one that I liked and I purchased the .30-06 while I was there.

Mr. ROWLAND - No. In proportion to the scope it appeared to me to be a .30-odd size 6, a deer rifle with a fairly large or powerful scope.
Mr. SPECTER - When you say, .30-odd-6, exactly what did you mean by that?
Mr. ROWLAND - That is a rifle that is used quite frequently for deer hunting. It is an import.
Mr. SPECTER - Do you own any rifles?
Mr. ROWLAND - No; my stepfather does.
Mr. SPECTER - Have you ever gone hunting deer with such a rifle?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes; I have.
Mr. SPECTER - And is that a .30-odd-6 rifle that you have hunted deer with?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.

Sure Caster's rifle didn't have a scope on it on the Wednesday- but damn it - the gunman that Rowland saw at 12.15 pm just happened to be "hunting for deer" with the same rifle type on the 6th floor of the TSBD?

We have the same location that a .30-06 rifle was brought into and no one from the FBI was curious enough to even inspect it?



It is very obvious why they ignored him. They didn't have to do anything, Rowland proved himself wrong with his own statement.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2018, 03:06:02 PM »
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Truly has always been suspicious to me.

Isn't everyone except Oswald suspicious to you in this case?  You think it is suspicious that Truly noticed and reported Oswald missing but not that Oswald was missing and had left for the day to get his gun and shoot a police officer etc.  LOL.

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