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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2018, 09:38:37 PM »
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Yes... I believe the CBS "shooters" were trying. Trying to replicate the shooting sequence in less time than Oswald took to fire three shots.

Why do you just make up data?  How do you know how long it took to fire the shots, or that Oswald fired them?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2018, 09:50:59 PM »
Striation pattern comparison was used to match CE 399 with Oswald's rifle.

Not that it matters, since there's no evidence that CE399 was involved in the assassination.

"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.

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« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2018, 09:56:24 PM »
Lots of conflicting accounts.

The existing photos showing the mess on the back seat of the limo tell us that the limo was not cleaned at all before it reached the White House garage.

How do you know what it looked like before it was cleaned?

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« Reply #51 on: April 23, 2018, 10:02:33 PM »
The chains of custody for the three items are not really in doubt.

They are all in doubt.  Frazier wasn't there when the alleged limo fragments were "found".

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2019, 09:35:30 PM »
Per the video of Rather explaining where he stood, he is likely one of the shadowy type figures standing on the sidewalk closer to the triple overpass in the photo.
For accuracy and general clarity...it is called the triple underpass ;)

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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2019, 10:00:34 PM »
I will copy and paste then

From Steve Crisafi...

Interesting read...If this doesn't say "Frontal Shot" nothing does...

Limo Clean-Up/ Secret Service actions re: limo at Parkland Hospital:

 

1) "TheWay We Were-1963: The Year Kennedy Was Shot" by Robert MacNeil (1988, Carrol & Graf), p. 197:"The president's car was there [Parkland Hospital], still at the point where it had pulled up, and they had taken the president out into that emergency entrance...I remember that the Secret Service men were then STARTING TO MOP UP THE BACK SEAT OF THE BIG LINCOLN THE PRESIDENT WAS PUT IN, and a few minutes later they started putting the fabric top on it. And when I went over to look at it a little closer, one of the agents waved me aside and said, 'You can't look.' Later, of course, it seemed ironic that this wall of protection went up when it of course could do no good..."

2) 21 H 226: Parkland Hospital Orderly Joe L. Richards: asked to get a bucket of water; he complied.

 

3) 21 H 217: Nurse Shirley Randall: was asked if she "would get someone to come and wash the blood out of the car." She said that she would, but was so nervous and excited she forgot about it.

 

4) "Time" Magazine, 11/29/63, p. 24---reporter Hugh Sidey: "A guard was set up around the Lincoln as Secret Service men got a pail of water and tried to wash the blood from the car."

 

5) ABC, 11/22/63---reporter Don Gardner:"Outside the hospital, blood had to be wiped from the limousine";

 

6) "New York Times", 11/23/63, p. 2---reporter Tom Wicker:"...the police were guarding the Presidential car closely. A bucket of water stood by the car, suggesting that the back seat had been scrubbed out."

 

7) "The Day Kennedy Was Shot" by Jim Bishop, p. 352 [1992 edition]: "...the Secret Service detail was sorry that hospital orderlies had sponged it [the limousine] out."

 

8) "The Death of a President" by William Manchester, p. 180n [1988 edition]: "An inaccurate [?] story reported that they washed out the back seat with a bucket of water. Actually, this was contemplated."

 

9) "That Day In Dallas" by Richard Trask (1998), page 35 [based off a 7/10/85 interview with Stoughton; same as page 42 of Trask's "Pictures of the Pain"]---"[Cecil] Stoughton recalls that a man was washing the seat "with a cloth, and he had a bucket. There was blood all over the seat, and flower petals and stuff on the floor." On page 37 there is a Stoughton photo with the caption "A bucket at his feet, an agent [Kinney] is seen leaning into the back seat of the Lincoln cleaning up some of the gore." [Same photo, without this caption, appears on page 41 of "Pictures Of The Pain"];

 

10) "Pictures of The Pain" by Richard Trask (1994), pages 377 and 383 [based off a 5/23/85 interview with Thomas Craven, Jr.]---"The Secret Service cleaning the blood out of the car---the flowers still lying in the back seat---and just chaos until the police figured out what was happening, and then they started to push us off."

 

11)-12) 18 H 731-732---SS Agent Sam Kinney; 18 H 763-764---SS Agent George Hickey:
The two agents who put on the bubbletop---with the assistance of a DPD motorcycle officer---at Parkland: they are pictured in the infamous photos/films of the bucket beside the limousine: "JFK Assassination File" by DPD Chief Jesse Curry, p. 36 (see also p. 34: same photo, different angle in UPI's "Four Days", p. 25); Texas News newsreel ("Kennedy In Texas" video); WFAA/ ABC video 11/22/63; Cooper/ Sturges film; "Reasonable Doubt" by Henry Hurt (1985), p. 84;

 

13) 10/14/98 letter to Vince Palamara from Henry Burroughs--- ?The limousines that had carried the Presidential party and the Vice-Presidential party were askew. An agent with a stainless steel hospital bucket was cleaning up the rear seat of the President's limousine. Flowers were strewn over rear seats of both limos.?

 

14) DPD Bobby Joe Dale---"No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), pp. 135-136"?the President was on the gurney beside the car, and they were wheeling him in. At that time, it was obvious that nobody could have survived a wound like that?Blood and matter was everywhere inside the car including a bone fragment which was oblong shaped, probably an inch to an inch and a half long by three-quarters of an inch wide. As I turned it over and looked at it, I determined that it came from some part of the forehead because there was hair on it which appeared to be near the hairline. There were other fragments around, but that was the largest piece that grabbed my attention. What stood out in my mind was that there was makeup up to the hairline. Apparently he had used makeup for the cameras to knock down the glare. It was fairly distinct where it stopped and the wrap of skin took up. Other than that, nobody messed with anything inside the car in any manner, shape, or form. Nobody said, "Clean this up!" We then put the top up and secured it."

 

15) 2/26/78 HSCA interview of Kinney??someone wanted to wash the (Presidential) car [at Parkland]. I said no one touch.?

 

16) 18 H 801: Hurchel Jacks, Texas Highway Patrolman assigned to drive LBJ?s car in Dallas motorcade---? We were assigned by the [Secret Service] to prevent any pictures of any kind to be taken of the President?s car or the inside.? 8/31/98 letter to author from Mrs. H.D. (Bobbie) Jacks, widow of Hurchel Jacks (Jacks passed away 12/19/95): ??he guarded Kennedy?s car to make sure that no photos were taken.? (See also ?Encyclopedia of the JFK Assassination,? page 121)

 

17) CD 3 Exhibits: Milton Wright, Texas Highway Patrolman assigned to drive Mayor Cabell?s car in the Dallas motorcade---??we were instructed to keep the news media away from the car.?
18) DPD James W. Courson & DPD Stavis Ellis---told author Larry Sneed about an incident whereupon a Secret Service agent destroyed the film of a young boy who took pictures of the limousine at Parkland [?No More Silence?, pages 130 & 148].

   (11-12) Interesting that SA Hickey assissted with the Bubble Top installation in order to prevent any Image Evidence from being gathered. Also, Hickey is all over that bucket that was used to wipe down the rear seat of the Limo. 1 minute Hickey is manning the AR-15 and the next minute he is relegated to Car Wash Duties. It could very well be that Hickey had a vested interest in eliminating/concealing this assassination evidence.
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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2019, 10:05:40 PM »
CE399 matched to Oswald's Carcano to the exclusion of any other weapon ever made.

The Limo bullet fragments matched to Oswald's Carcano to the exclusion of any other weapon ever made.

We are off topic. But why not: Backlund has abandoned his own "subject".

"Oswald's Carcano". LOL. Good one. Too bad for you there is no supporting evidence for this claim.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2019, 10:07:48 PM »
   It could very well be that Hickey had a vested interest in eliminating/concealing this assassination evidence.
The dead president had more protection than he did when he was alive.