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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2018, 11:23:45 PM »
Striation pattern comparison was used to match CE 399 with Oswald's rifle. The same goes for the two large fragments found in the limo.

By Whom? What size were those fragments? At the MLK assassination the bullet recovered from the body was considered two deformed to test and it was basically an entire bullet

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2018, 12:14:05 AM »
By Whom?

FBI SA Robert Frazier, among others.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/frazr1.htm

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What size were those fragments?

https://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=NARA-FRAGMENTS

There are nine photos in total.

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At the MLK assassination the bullet recovered from the body was considered two deformed to test and it was basically an entire bullet

Similar to the MLK assassination bullet, the Walker bullet was too mutilated to be able to be matched to a rifle.

"Mr. FRAZIER - The bullet, 573, had what appeared to be normal-depth grooves. However, this bullet is completely flattened due to hitting a plaster or cement or other hard material on one side, and the opposite side, as a result of the flattening--has assumed a concave appearance, which has stretched the surface in various places and changes its overall appearance that is the basis for actually having to state that there were not enough unmutilated marks for identification purposes on it."

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2018, 02:55:42 PM »
 Thanks for that Tim Do you know if they fired some bullets from other Manlichers to establish the variation in striation patterns? Obviously there is only a very small portion of striation patterns from 569 compared to a relatively intact bullet I did not see anyone try to qualify this difference Just Frazier's conclusion  And not bring the MLK shooting in too much but the undamaged portion of the bullet from that shooting is much larger and a renowned expert testified that it should have been examined as evidence that the bullet came from Ray's gun We need some consistency from government agencies in they want credinility

 And just to add top the obvious the chain of custody of both the ballistics is in doubt
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2018, 04:13:43 PM »
Thanks for that Tim Do you know if they fired some bullets from other Manlichers to establish the variation in striation patterns? Obviously there is only a very small portion of striation patterns from 569 compared to a relatively intact bullet I did not see anyone try to qualify this difference Just Frazier's conclusion  And not bring the MLK shooting in too much but the undamaged portion of the bullet from that shooting is much larger and a renowned expert testified that it should have been examined as evidence that the bullet came from Ray's gun We need some consistency from government agencies in they want credinility

 And just to add top the obvious the chain of custody of both the ballistics is in doubt

Matt, I don't know if they test fired with other Carcanos to establish variations in striation patterns or not. Frazier's conclusion was not his alone. His two fellow Lab specialists, Cunningham and Killion, confirmed his findings. Also, the WC had the bullet and fragments examined by Joseph Nicol of the Illinois Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation. He positively matched CE-399, CE-567, and CE-569 to Oswald's rifle.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/nicol.htm

The chains of custody for the three items are not really in doubt. But I'm curious to know what you think it would mean if they were in doubt.

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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2018, 04:22:58 PM »
Matt, I don't know if they test fired with other Carcanos to establish variations in striation patterns or not. Frazier's conclusion was not his alone. His two fellow Lab specialists, Cunningham and Killion, confirmed his findings. Also, the WC had the bullet and fragments examined by Joseph Nicol of the Illinois Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation. He positively matched CE-399, CE-567, and CE-569 to Oswald's rifle.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/nicol.htm

The chains of custody for the three items are not really in doubt. But I'm curious to know what you think it would mean if they were in doubt.

 We have been down the road of CE 3999 before, so I doubt we will make any progress on that As for the other two from the limo are you saying the limo was secured The agent who found the fragment apparently did so on his own initiative More than one person being involved in the recovery would have been more valid

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2018, 04:28:40 PM »
We have been down the road of CE 3999 before, so I doubt we will make any progress on that As for the other two from the limo are you saying the limo was secured The agent who found the fragment apparently did so on his own initiative More than one person being involved in the recovery would have been more valid

The limo was secured and there was more than one person involved in the examination of it and in the recovery of the fragments.

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2018, 04:33:08 PM »
   Hi Bruce.  First of all, welcome to the forum! 

Secondly, since no one addressed your question, I'll take a shot at it. 

 I have always wondered where Rather was on the western side of the triple underpass, and, it may be that he is among the people on the left side of the photograph, or, he may be standing (out of frame) on the left side of the picture. We can't make out any detail, unfortunately, but since there are several people gathered on the west side of the underpass, he may very well be among the crowds gathered there.

Per the video of Rather explaining where he stood, he is likely one of the shadowy type figures standing on the sidewalk closer to the triple overpass in the photo.

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2018, 04:48:17 PM »
The limo was secured and there was more than one person involved in the examination of it and in the recovery of the fragments.

 By whom?

 Parkland witnesses claimed someone asked for a bucket of water and a rag? Photos show a bucket of war. Sam Kinney claims to have washed the limo
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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2018, 06:10:50 PM »
By whom?

The Secret Service.

 
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Parkland witnesses claimed someone asked for a bucket of water and a rag?


Did any of those Parkland witnesses have names?

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Photos show a bucket of war.


Photos show a bucket.

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Sam Kinney claims to have washed the limo

When did Kinney make that claim?

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Re: Where is Dan Rather?
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2018, 07:48:23 PM »
The Secret Service.

 

Did any of those Parkland witnesses have names?
 

Photos show a bucket.

When did Kinney make that claim?
Statement By Agent Hickey.

Agent Sorrels met Agent Kinney and me outside the hotel and drove to the airport arriving about 9:00 a.m. We went directly to the garage and relieved the police of the security of the cars. Washed and cleaned both cars and checked outside, inside and underneath for security violations--none found.

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