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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #221 on: May 16, 2018, 12:30:57 PM »
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Good set of witnesses for proving SBT.

Austin Miller---Proves SBT----Accounts for all the shots in his statement.  One shot hit the street. Two shots hit JFK and JBC. No mention of a seperate shot hitting near Tague.

Royce Skelton----Proves SBT------ Accounts for all the shots in his statement. Two shots hit the street, Two shots hit  JBC and JFK. . No mention of a seperate shot hitting near Tague.

Hugh Betzner----Proves SBT------ Two shot witness.

Buddy Walters ----Proves SBT----Talking about Tague, who thought he was struck by the second bullet which again proves the first shot struck both JFK and JBC. Walters obviously thought the head shot was the second shot because he states "the last shot went high and above the presidents car"

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #222 on: May 16, 2018, 03:22:31 PM »
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- statements of witnesses reporting what looked like a missed shot
Miller and Skelton say that they thought a bullet struck the pavement to the left (south) of the limo. Since a bullet is too small and moving too fast to be seen by humans, all we can say is that they saw something hit the pavement to the south side. We know that a piece of JFK's skull was found on the south side of the street.  Reports that something that looked like smoke was coming from trees and police were looking on the ground on the GK for something are not evidence of a missed shot.

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #223 on: May 16, 2018, 03:37:14 PM »
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Good set of witnesses for proving SBT.

Austin Miller---Proves SBT----Accounts for all the shots in his statement.  One shot hit the street. Two shots hit JFK and JBC. No mention of a seperate shot hitting near Tague.
Except that he reported one shot and then two more, which suggests a 1 and 2-3 grouping which excludes the second shot SBT.

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Royce Skelton----Proves SBT------ Accounts for all the shots in his statement. Two shots hit the street, Two shots hit  JBC and JFK. . No mention of a seperate shot hitting near Tague.
?? That seems to be 4 shots.  In his Dec. 17/63 FBI statement he said that he saw dust spray on the pavement on the driver's side of the limo and then "a few seconds" later heard 3 shots.

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Hugh Betzner----Proves SBT------ Two shot witness.
No. He is an "at least two shots" witness. Read his statement.

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Buddy Walters ----Proves SBT----Talking about Tague, who thought he was struck by the second bullet which again proves the first shot struck both JFK and JBC. Walters obviously thought the head shot was the second shot because he states "the last shot went high and above the presidents car"
Walters is guessing.  The curb smear was analyzed and no copper was found, just lead and antimony. That indicates that the curb was struck by a lead fragment.

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #224 on: May 16, 2018, 04:13:11 PM »
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. We know that a piece of JFK's skull was found on the south side of the street.  Reports that something that looked like smoke was coming from trees and police were looking on the ground on the GK for something are not evidence of a missed shot.

 That is strangely phrased  I suppose I guess I should congratulate you in your formulation of a sort of double dipper of discounting any shots from the front hit JFK Witnesses mean something, where skull pieces end up have meaning as well Apparently evidence is only a fact that lines up with your conclusion

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That is strangely phrased  I suppose I guess I should congratulate you in your formulation of a sort of double dipper of discounting any shots from the front hit JFK Witnesses mean something, where skull pieces end up have meaning as well Apparently evidence is only a fact that lines up with your conclusion
To reach a conclusion that there was a shot from the front, I would need evidence of such a shot. This is not evidence of such a shot.

Not only is there a lack of any evidence of a shot from the front, there is a great deal of evidence of three shots from the rear, that they were fired from the SN, and that there were only three shots heard.  Also, the trajectory required for the wounds on JFK and JBC would preclude a shot from the front.  Without a hole in the windshield, a shot from the front just doesn't work.

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #226 on: May 16, 2018, 09:11:17 PM »


         Dr. Cyril H. Wecht , you tube -- " A Case For Conspiracy With Dr. Cyril H. Wecht " 1:58:07 long.

         This is a very good talk about the JFK Assassination from the Texas School Book Depository .

          Dr. James Humes and Dr. J. Thornton Boswell had never done a gunshot autopsy , EVER !
          One of the top forensic Pathologist & Medical Examiners , Dr. Milton Helpren from New York
          City , told Dr. Wecht that he was packed and ready to answer the phone call that he thought
          would come for him to do this autopsy on JFK !  That call never came !

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #227 on: May 16, 2018, 10:09:06 PM »
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To reach a conclusion that there was a shot from the front, I would need evidence of such a shot. This is not evidence of such a shot.

Not only is there a lack of any evidence of a shot from the front, there is a great deal of evidence of three shots from the rear, that they were fired from the SN, and that there were only three shots heard.  Also, the trajectory required for the wounds on JFK and JBC would preclude a shot from the front.  Without a hole in the windshield, a shot from the front just doesn't work.

There isn't a straight line trajectory from the TSBD that makes the MB work. If so, then show us with 2 lasers and a re-enactment.



As far as the head shot goes, the following trajectory from the overpass works without going thru the windshield. The same applies for the throat wound.



Otherwise, we can only speculate which direction the bullet came from that passed thru the windshield. Daltex building?

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #228 on: May 17, 2018, 04:10:43 AM »
WTF could possibly the shooter be aiming at with his 1st shot to have completely missed the ENTIRE LIMO?? and at the closest range of only 53 meters away?


This the range MOST of the CBS shooters were able to hit the target in the test trial.


Yet the "expert" sniper for some reason wasnt even aiming at the limo at all and that bullet has never been found.

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #229 on: May 17, 2018, 08:39:39 AM »
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WTF could possibly the shooter be aiming at with his 1st shot to have completely missed the ENTIRE LIMO?? and at the closest range of only 53 meters away?
Good question. 

There is no evidence that any shot missed. In fact, there is evidence that each of the shots hit.  There are at least 70 witnesses who provided evidence that the first shot struck JFK (they said either that JFK reacted to his neck wound on the first shot or that the last two shots occurred after JFK is seen reacting to his neck wound in the zfilm).  Not a single witness said he smiled and waved after the first shot (which is what the SBT says happened).  Gov. Connally, supported by a number of witnesses close-by, gave evidence that he was hit in the torso by the second shot.  We can see the effect of the third shot.

Not only is it difficult to understand how the sniper could have missed the entire limo at 160-175 feet, but it is difficult to understand how the bullet could have failed to leave a mark anywhere in Dealey Plaza. It is even more difficult to understand how a missed shot could have given so many people the impression that it struck JFK.



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