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Offline Bernd Werner

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2018, 09:25:48 PM »
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What two bullets?

The two bullets that must have been in Kennedy's throat, if the bullet, that caused the wound in Kennedys back, did not exit his body. If this bullet didn't pass through Kennedys body, the wound in Kennedys throat must have been caused by another bullet entering his throat. Therefore two bullet should have been found or must have been removed, if no bullet was found there.

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Explain how a bullet travelling in a downward direction, just above the top of the right lung, could exit the throat.

Where do you get the idea from, that the bullet "travelled just above the top of the right lung"?
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2018, 12:14:47 AM »
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Explain how a bullet travelling in a downward direction, just above the top of the right lung, could exit the throat.

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It's not explainable using that image.



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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2018, 04:25:23 AM »
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Tim yes your tone has been very reasonable and I appreciate it I did quote your one particular comment several posts back that seemed to suggest you were using this fallacy, but maybe I just cannot not understand it in the way you intended Either way, I am not interested in contesting some past quote to death, if you say your open discussion to every aspect, lets leave it at that.

As far as needing to admit the autopsy has standing? Yes kind of I would agree that everything needs to be considered but in the light that those leading the autopsy were strangely inexperienced and the indication of military control is a concern Your point however is spot on since if I were to dismiss all of the autopsy information I would be basically guilty That does not mean, for me at least, the entire autopsy cannot be swept away as all fake and part of a conspiracy I would then be guilty of the very logical fallacy I have already cited. for what is worth I do not see logic as some absolute guidepost. It comes to most people naturally without having to read and quote them Onward we go

Matt, we can agree that the autopsy report is not beyond discussion. I sensed from the testimony of one of the Pathologists that he was not particularly bothered by people questioning the report.  This was decades later. He did stick to his guns though and deferred to the autopsy photos and x-rays when challenged on certain details.
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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2018, 12:14:14 PM »
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It's not explainable using that image.

Take a look at the following:



Tim, perhaps you would mark on the photo above, the line you believe the bullet took.

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2018, 12:45:08 PM »
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Where do you get the idea from, that the bullet "travelled just above the top of the right lung"?

Bernd, I was bouncing Tim's own post back at him.

"They had an entrance wound in the posterior at the base of the neck. The X-Rays revealed no bullet inside the body.  After removing the breastplate they found a contusion on the apex of the upper lobe of the right lung. It was obvious to them that the bullet had gone over the top of that lung. They came to realize that the bullet had to have exited from the front of the neck. Humes' phone call to Dr. Perry confirmed it for them."

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Offline Matt Grantham

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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2018, 02:13:09 PM »
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Bernd, I was bouncing Tim's own post back at him.

"They had an entrance wound in the posterior at the base of the neck. The X-Rays revealed no bullet inside the body.  After removing the breastplate they found a contusion on the apex of the upper lobe of the right lung. It was obvious to them that the bullet had gone over the top of that lung. They came to realize that the bullet had to have exited from the front of the neck. Humes' phone call to Dr. Perry confirmed it for them."

 Are we not supposed to be confused by the terms contusion on the apex of the lung and over the top of the lung

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2018, 02:40:11 PM »
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Are we not supposed to be confused by the terms contusion on the apex of the lung and over the top of the lung

Was the contusion on the apex of the lung supposedly caused by the bullet?

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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2018, 04:16:13 PM »
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Was the contusion on the apex of the lung supposedly caused by the bullet?

 Seemingly the apex of the lung is part of the lung. Therefore to say that, and then at the same time claim it went above the lung is some kind of problem

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Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2018, 07:53:19 PM »
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Mr. SPECTER - Have you had any additional, special training or experience in missile wounds?
Colonel FINCK - For the past 3 years I was Chief of the Wound Ballistics Pathology Branch of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and in that capacity I reviewed personally all the cases forwarded to us by the Armed Forces, and some civilian cases from the United States and our forces overseas. The number of these cases amounts to approximately 400 cases. I was called as a consultant in the field of missile wounds for this particular case, and also last year in February 1963, the Surgeon General of the Army sent me to Vietnam for a wound ballistics mission, I had to testify in a murder trial involving a 30/30 rifle in the first week of March this year, and I came back yesterday after one week in Panama where I had to testify. I was sent to Panama by the Secretary of the Army regarding the fatalities of the events of 9-10 in January of 1964.
Mr. SPECTER - Have you been certified by the American Board of Pathology, Doctor Finck?
Colonel FINCK - I was certified in pathology anatomy by the American Board of Pathology in 1956, and by the same American Board of Pathology in the field of forensic pathology in 1961.
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Mr. SPECTER - Did you have occasion to participate in the autopsy of the late President Kennedy?
Colonel FINCK - Yes; I did.
Mr. SPECTER - And are you one of the three coauthors of the autopsy report which has been previously marked and introduced into evidence here?
Colonel FINCK - Yes, I am.


            Guess you forgot to mention that Humes called in Finck to assist him. By the time Finck arrived at the Official JFK Autopsy, it was already well under way. Humes had already had his way with JFK's body/wounds by the time Finck got to the autopsy.

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2018, 08:23:00 PM »
 I was looking for more information on this and came upon someone mentioning a couple of independent investigators of the Bethesda autopsy but lost the link somehow Anybody know who they might be?

 Is there anything beyond a quote  in regard to bruising of the upper part of the right lung that supports the notion that they tracked the wound from the front side of the throat backwards?

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