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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2018, 07:52:49 PM »
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So he didn't recall stopping his camera.  Read his grandaughter's book.  You might learn something.

Zapruder's granddaughter gives the following account of his filming (this is from her book):

                

Zapruder said in the Clay Shaw trial that the film shown to the jury (multiple times) was the same one that was developed in Dallas the day of the assassination. The trial film was one of the copies made by Time/Life of the original Zapruder film (which they had) and that was subpoenaed by Garrison. That copy that was shown in the trial was later bootlegged and released to large parts of the public.

From the trial:

Q: Mr. Zapruder, from having seen what was projected on this film, can you tell the Court whether or not it appears to be the same as you viewed your original film on November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas?

A: Yes, it does.

It seems obvious that if large parts were cut out or changed that he would have noticed it. Maybe not but we have lots of other evidence that is, for me, persuasive that the film wasn't deliberately altered.

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
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Offline James Dahl

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2018, 08:03:18 PM »
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So he didn't recall stopping his camera.  Read his grandaughter's book.  You might learn something.

Why do I have to read his granddaughter's book, she wasn't there.  Zapruder was there and he said he never stopped filming.  You are wrong

Online Royell Storing

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2018, 08:13:47 PM »
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Zapruder said in the Clay Shaw trial that the film shown to the jury (multiple times) was the same one that was developed in Dallas the day of the assassination. The trial film was one of the copies made by Time/Life that was subpoenaed by Garrison. That copy was bootlegged and released to large parts of the public.

From the trial:

Q: Mr. Zapruder, from having seen what was projected on this film, can you tell the Court whether or not it appears to be the same as you viewed your original film on November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas?

A: Yes, it does.

It seems obvious that if large parts were cut out or changed that he would have noticed it. Maybe not but we have lots of other evidence that is, for me, persuasive that the film wasn't deliberately altered.

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           Zapruder was Unable to ID Himself on the Zapruder Film Still Frames shown to him during his WC Testimony. Now, years later you want to swear by him when he is viewing a film in the middle of a packed courtroom? Zapruder was paid $150,000 for his film. This $150,000 would make it difficult for him to discredit an alleged copy of the film he sold to Time/Life for a small fortune. In 1963 when Zapruder sold his film for $150K, the average American was making roughly $4,000. $150,000 was a Ton of $$$ back in 1963. 

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2018, 08:29:09 PM »
Royell Sterling that is a take I have never heard or considered I believe I also have heard that Greer had all kinds of problems making that turn and driving erratically during the time period in the lapse in the film

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2018, 08:40:18 PM »
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Royell Sterling that is a take I have never heard or considered I believe I also have heard that Greer had all kinds of problems making that turn and driving erratically during the time period in the lapse in the film

         Yeah, there are stories that Greer almost jumped the curb as he steered a Hard left in order to correct the direction the JFK Limo was heading.

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2018, 11:05:09 PM »
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Isn't it a little odd that all the police motorcycles are ahead of the limousine at the begging of the Zapruder film and then behind when it restarts? My understanding is that Zapruder claimed he never stopped filming

The motorcycles seen at the START of the Zapruder film are the " lead motorcycles " positioned ahead of Curry's lead car

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2018, 03:54:23 PM »
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Why do I have to read his granddaughter's book, she wasn't there.  Zapruder was there and he said he never stopped filming.  You are wrong

 No, I am not wrong.

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2018, 04:14:24 PM »
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Why do I have to read his granddaughter's book, she wasn't there.  Zapruder was there and he said he never stopped filming.  You are wrong

Sorry, where did Zapruder state he never stopped filming?

I understand that in the interviews/testimony he doesn't mention stopping. But where does he say explicitly he never stopped?


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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2018, 04:25:30 PM »
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           Zapruder was Unable to ID Himself on the Zapruder Film Still Frames shown to him during his WC Testimony. Now, years later you want to swear by him when he is viewing a film in the middle of a packed courtroom? Zapruder was paid $150,000 for his film. This $150,000 would make it difficult for him to discredit an alleged copy of the film he sold to Time/Life for a small fortune. In 1963 when Zapruder sold his film for $150K, the average American was making roughly $4,000. $150,000 was a Ton of $$$ back in 1963.

  What?!!!!!  "ID himself on the Zapruder film frames"?  That makes absolutely no sense at all.  Are you referring to him being asked to look at the Willis slide which show he and Marilyn Sitzman and identify himself?  Well, if that is the  case you are wrong because he does identify himself and his secretary and where they were standing.  Since the slide is so blurry, he was pointing out that he would have to say that that is him, but he most definitely was not "wrong" because the slide shows exactly where he was standing while he filmed, Storing. Most people can't even see Zapruder and Sitzman until they are told where to look because the slide is so blurry at that point since they are off in the distance and blend in with the background. He immediately ID'd himself without being coached in any way, shape or form!  So cut the crap.

 Furthermore, didn't you read Zapruder's testimony carefully?  He didn't scrutinize his film, he didn't even retain a copy for himself, and it sounds to me like he does a good job at describing from memory the frames he is being shown. 

 So, you are saying that because Zapruder was paid such a sum of money, this makes him suspicious?   This doesn't surprise me and you most likely believe that Zaprude was in on a plot?  Is that correct?  As usual, you twist thing like a pretzel to create your fantasy.  It never ceases to amaze me.

 

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2018, 05:14:06 PM »
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  What?!!!!!  "ID himself on the Zapruder film frames"?  That makes absolutely no sense at all.  Are you referring to him being asked to look at the Willis slide which show he and Marilyn Sitzman and identify himself?  Well, if that is the  case you are wrong because he does identify himself and his secretary and where they were standing.  Since the slide is so blurry, he was pointing out that he would have to say that that is him, but he most definitely was not "wrong" because the slide shows exactly where he was standing while he filmed, Storing. Most people can't even see Zapruder and Sitzman until they are told where to look because the slide is so blurry at that point since they are off in the distance and blend in with the background. He immediately ID'd himself without being coached in any way, shape or form!  So cut the crap.

 Furthermore, didn't you read Zapruder's testimony carefully?  He didn't scrutinize his film, he didn't even retain a copy for himself, and it sounds to me like he does a good job at describing from memory the frames he is being shown. 

 So, you are saying that because Zapruder was paid such a sum of money, this makes him suspicious?   This doesn't surprise me and you most likely believe that Zaprude was in on a plot?  Is that correct?  As usual, you twist thing like a pretzel to create your fantasy.  It never ceases to amaze me.

          YES. I am referring to the Willis Slide. Do you really believe the Copy of whatever Zapruder was shown in court was Not also "Blurry"? You have been around long enough to Know what copies of the Z Film looked like back in the 60's,70's, 80's etc. Even that bootleg Z Film that Groden revealed to the public in "75" was a mass of absolutely Blurry Images. As to Zapruder's WC Testimony, he is UNABLE to ID Himself based on what He SEES on the Willis Slide. Zapruder gives a Vague ID based on knowing his position inside Dealey Plaza. Zapruder did Not "Immediately ID Himself". This description of Yours is  incorrect.  I am Not saying Zapruder was "in on the plot". What I am saying is based on the HUGE amount of $$$ he was given for his film, he is Not going to turn around and claim In Court that the film that Time/Life had in its' possession is Not the film he shot inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.  To do so would have resulted in Zapruder then being asked to forfeit his $$$ due to He being the one that sold/personally handed it to Time/Life. I will say Zapruder's general integrity can be questioned due to: (1) He did INTENTIONALLY HIDE the FACT he was paid $150,000 for the film & (2) He did INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENT to the public that he donated ALL the money from his film to the Police Fund/Officer Tippit. This was Intentional Misrepresentation/ Fake News on the part of Zapruder. 
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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
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