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Offline James Dahl

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2018, 11:43:50 PM »
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That's an interesting trick.  How would ballistics determine that it was Oswald?

It can't, only where the shot came from.  "The Shooter in the 6th floor of the Book Depository" if you prefer other than Oswald

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2018, 11:46:49 PM »
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Dino Brugioni says it was not the original he saw. He should know don't you think

In my opinion, Brugioni did not see - and could not have seen -the original. The original was either still in Zapruder's safe or in Chicago (depending on when Brugioni saw his version). Zapruder sold the original and a first generation copy to Time/Life on Saturday morning, the day after the assassination. That original was then sent to the Time/Life offices in Chicago where they went to publishing stills/frames from it. The copy was sent to the office in New York. Two other first generation copies were given to the government on Friday, the day of the assassination.

So Brugioni likely either saw a copy that Zapruder gave the government or a copy of one of the two copies. But he couldn't, as I see it, have seen the original since it wasn't in the possession of the government. At least not during the time in question; which was, as I understand it, shortly after the assassination.

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2018, 01:50:15 AM »
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In my opinion, Brugioni did not - and could not have - see the original. The original was either still in Zapruder's safe or in Chicago (depending on when Brugioni saw his version). He sold the original and a first generation copy to Time/Life on Saturday morning. The original was then sent to the Time/Life offices in Chicago where they went to publishing stills/frames from it. Two first generation copies were given to the government on Friday, the day of the assassination.

So Brugioni likley either saw a copy or a copy of one of the copies. But he couldn't, as I see it, have seen the original since it wasn't in the possession of the government.

       The Point is, NPIC Image Expert Dino Brugioni said that the Zapruder Film he Examined on 11/23/63 was Different than the Current Zapruder Film.

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2018, 01:33:33 PM »
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       The Point is, NPIC Image Expert Dino Brugioni said that the Zapruder Film he Examined on 11/23/63 was Different than the Current Zapruder Film.

It's  interesting how you conspiracy buffs all hate the CIA and think they killed President Kennedy, not to mention a slew of other accusations against them made over the years--but the minute a former CIA employee says something you just happen to accept the word of the former CIA employee who claims that there were "more frames" in the Zapruder film than what has been available over the years. Never mind the fact that Zaprider testified at the Clay Shaw trial while viewing his film that he identified it has his own film, or all other evidence that supports the film being authentic!   

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2018, 03:26:21 PM »
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It's  interesting how you conspiracy buffs all hate the CIA and think they killed President Kennedy, not to mention a slew of other accusations against them made over the years--but the minute a former CIA employee says something you just happen to accept the word of the former CIA employee who claims that there were "more frames" in the Zapruder film than what has been available over the years. Never mind the fact that Zaprider testified at the Clay Shaw trial while viewing his film that he identified it has his own film, or all other evidence that supports the film being authentic!   

         NPIC Image Expert Dino Brugioni examined Images. This is what he did for his entire career. He was Legendary in this regard as to his examining the Images taken of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, U2 Spy Plane Images, etc. He was Not whatever your idea of a cloak-n-dagger CIA Agent may be. You would never confuse Dino Brugioni with Tosh Plumlee. Well, maybe YOU would. And let's not minimize what Brugioni had to say concerning the film he viewed on 11/23/63 vs The Current Zapruder Film. Not only did he believe there were More frames on the 11/23/63 film, he believed he Examined/Viewed Differing Images on these 2 Films.

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2018, 03:45:03 PM »
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         NPIC Image Expert Dino Brugioni examined Images. This is what he did for his entire career. He was Legendary in this regard as to his examining the Images taken of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, U2 Spy Plane Images, etc. He was Not whatever your idea of a cloak-n-dagger CIA Agent may be. You would never confuse Dino Brugioni with Tosh Plumlee. Well, maybe YOU would. And let's not minimize what Brugioni had to say concerning the film he viewed on 11/23/63 vs The Current Zapruder Film. Not only did he believe there were More frames on the 11/23/63 film, he believed he Examined/Viewed Differing Images on these 2 Films.


  No kidding! I read up on the guy years ago, after Horne started peddling his tripe. 

It makes no difference to me what you think you know about Brugioni , comparing him with Plumlee.  How would know what type of CIA agent Brugioni is compared to any of them? 

 Your type believe anything these people say when it comes to everything JFK assassination--as long as it doesn't jibe with the official investigations.  We have had FBI agents come out of the woodwork claiming all sorts of rubbish, trying to sell their conspiracy nonsense, and with ease, they can be torn to shreds with evidence.  I do not believe anyone claiming that the Zapruder film--or any of the photographic evidence--in the JFK assassination has been tampered with.  People like Brugioni are a dime a dozen.

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2018, 04:52:27 PM »
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  No kidding! I read up on the guy years ago, after Horne started peddling his tripe. 

It makes no difference to me what you think you know about Brugioni , comparing him with Plumlee.  How would know what type of CIA agent Brugioni is compared to any of them? 

 Your type believe anything these people say when it comes to everything JFK assassination--as long as it doesn't jibe with the official investigations.  We have had FBI agents come out of the woodwork claiming all sorts of rubbish, trying to sell their conspiracy nonsense, and with ease, they can be torn to shreds with evidence.  I do not believe anyone claiming that the Zapruder film--or any of the photographic evidence--in the JFK assassination has been tampered with.  People like Brugioni are a dime a dozen.

       Other than NPIC "Image Expert" Brugioni, how many other individuals have voiced an opinion as to what they saw on the "63" Zapruder Film vs what they see on The Current Zapruder Film? And let's Not Forget that Time/Life LOCKED the Zapruder Film inside a Vault for its' initial 12 years of existence. The chain of custody regarding The Current Zapruder Film is Completely Unknown.
        PS - You are doing both History & Yourself a disservice when you disparage a Legend such a Dino Brugioni. You can disagree with this NPIC Image Expert all you want, but labeling him "dime a dozen" does nothing but reveal your bias and lower the level of discussion. 

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2018, 05:18:24 PM »
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It's  interesting how you conspiracy buffs all hate the CIA and think they killed President Kennedy, not to mention a slew of other accusations against them made over the years--but the minute a former CIA employee says something you just happen to accept the word of the former CIA employee who claims that there were "more frames" in the Zapruder film than what has been available over the years. Never mind the fact that Zaprider testified at the Clay Shaw trial while viewing his film that he identified it has his own film, or all other evidence that supports the film being authentic!   

Zapruder himself stated that he never stopped filming the motorcade, yet the film cuts from before the turn onto Elm to after, so yeah follow your own advice on primary sources.

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2018, 07:35:09 PM »
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Zapruder himself stated that he never stopped filming the motorcade, yet the film cuts from before the turn onto Elm to after, so yeah follow your own advice on primary sources.

 So he didn't recall stopping his camera.  Read his grandaughter's book.  You might learn something.

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2018, 07:41:31 PM »
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       Other than NPIC "Image Expert" Brugioni, how many other individuals have voiced an opinion as to what they saw on the "63" Zapruder Film vs what they see on The Current Zapruder Film? And let's Not Forget that Time/Life LOCKED the Zapruder Film inside a Vault for its' initial 12 years of existence. The chain of custody regarding The Current Zapruder Film is Completely Unknown.
        PS - You are doing both History & Yourself a disservice when you disparage a Legend such a Dino Brugioni. You can disagree with this NPIC Image Expert all you want, but labeling him "dime a dozen" does nothing but reveal your bias and lower the level of discussion.

Storing, the copy that is in the National Archives has the splices where the film was damaged. That film was sold back to the Zapruder family for $1.00 after the bootleg copies began appearing everywhere.  I take it that you haven't(or won't) read Alexandria Zapruder's book on the subject of the film, have you?  Where did you come up with the "chain of custody is unknown" nonsense?   

 When I want your advice (which will never happen) I'll ask for it, Storing.  And, I am sure you could care less about me doing "disservice to [my]self".  Spare me. 

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Re: Is the Zapruder film a composite or an original?
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2018, 07:41:31 PM »