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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2018, 09:12:35 PM »
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The Marines had three qualifications for rifle proficiency: Marksman (190 to 209 points), Sharpshooter (210 to 219 points) and Expert (220 to 250 points). In December of 1956, Oswald scored 212 points on a test...two points over the "Sharpshooter" minimum and eight points short of "expert." In earning that score, he hit 48 of 50, then 49 of 50, in shots taken at a target 200 yards away. Later, in 1959, he qualified as a "Marksman."

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Would you be willing to take JFK's seat in a reenactment with an Oswald- level shooter firing live rounds at you?

in 1959, he qualified as a "Marksman."

Was he using a rusty old bolt action mannlicher  carcano with the scope mounted askew??

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
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Offline Bruce Backlund

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2018, 09:28:35 PM »
Correct Walt. In Oswald's 1959 qualifications, I believe he scored 192. Just made it over the 190 minimum for marksman. There was talk in a previous time period he made sharpshooter, but by 1959 his ability had deteriorated. Without practice on a range, by November 1963 it would have probably deteriorated further. That's what happens.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2018, 12:29:26 AM »
Correct Walt. In Oswald's 1959 qualifications, I believe he scored 192. Just made it over the 190 minimum for marksman. There was talk in a previous time period he made sharpshooter, but by 1959 his ability had deteriorated. Without practice on a range, by November 1963 it would have probably deteriorated further. That's what happens.

I was rated "sharpshooter" using the M-1 Garand ( love the brute) ...and many years later I learned to fire the Carcano with passable accuracy.... ( not in the military) ....   The carcano is a model "T" Ford and the Garand is a Ford Thunderbird .....Many folks can drive a Thunderbird safely and skillfully.....but I doubt that those same folks could get a Model T out of the driveway....   

And the comparison is applicable..... Lee Oswald couldn't have fired three shots from that Carcano in six seconds even if he wasn't firing at any target and was merely firing into the air....

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« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2018, 12:29:26 AM »


Online Richard Smith

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2018, 03:15:43 PM »
This is just one of those endless CTer rabbit holes.  Contend something can't be done, be given evidence that it can, suggest the recreations are flawed because they do not reflect with 100 percent accuracy the conditions.  Add to this that the actual shot sequence and length of time that Oswald had to fire the shots is uncertain.  He could have taken as long as 10 seconds or more depending on when the first and last shots are fired.  Making this event all the more plausible from a shooter's perspective.  And if there were any doubt, the evidence itself proves it was done.  Once a thing has occurred, the odds against it occurring are no longer relevant to the discussion.  That would be like arguing the odds of winning the lottery are so long that someone who has won couldn't have done so even if they have the winning ticket to prove it.  It's laughable.  Oswald did it.  The evidence confirms the matter. 

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2018, 05:09:19 PM »
This is just one of those endless CTer rabbit holes.  Contend something can't be done, be given evidence that it can, suggest the recreations are flawed because they do not reflect with 100 percent accuracy the conditions.  Add to this that the actual shot sequence and length of time that Oswald had to fire the shots is uncertain.  He could have taken as long as 10 seconds or more depending on when the first and last shots are fired.  Making this event all the more plausible from a shooter's perspective.  And if there were any doubt, the evidence itself proves it was done.  Once a thing has occurred, the odds against it occurring are no longer relevant to the discussion.  That would be like arguing the odds of winning the lottery are so long that someone who has won couldn't have done so even if they have the winning ticket to prove it.  It's laughable.  Oswald did it.  The evidence confirms the matter.

Absolutely correct, a lot of people call it nothing less than a potshot.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2018, 07:08:18 PM »
in 1959, he qualified as a "Marksman."

Was he using a rusty old bolt action mannlicher  carcano with the scope mounted askew??

Did somebody see a scope on the rifle in the window?

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2018, 07:19:02 PM »
Correct Walt. In Oswald's 1959 qualifications, I believe he scored 192. Just made it over the 190 minimum for marksman. There was talk in a previous time period he made sharpshooter, but by 1959 his ability had deteriorated. Without practice on a range, by November 1963 it would have probably deteriorated further. That's what happens.

In December of 1956, Oswald scored 212 points on a test...two points over the "Sharpshooter" minimum and eight points short of "expert

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #63 on: April 30, 2018, 09:23:59 PM »
And if there were any doubt, the evidence itself proves it was done.  Once a thing has occurred, the odds against it occurring are no longer relevant to the discussion.

Circular argument (n.):  see circular argument