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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2018, 11:08:09 PM »
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Again, it makes no difference now.  Oswald is long dead.   Any "rights" that he might have been denied him over 50 years ago are relevant only in the context of a criminal trial that will never take place.  Not outside that context.   Here on planet earth, we can take all the relevant information into consideration - whether it would have been admissible or not in a trial - and use that to assess whether Oswald was the assassin.  Conduct a seance and let Oswald know that you believe his rights were violated if that will make you feel better but resolution of that issue adds or detracts nothing, however, from the case against him.

True to form, Richard ignores all counter-arguments to his proclamations and just repeats his original point over and over again.


Of course it makes a difference how Oswald was treated.  It shows that the police didn't give a whit about how this case was investigated.  Even if he was actually guilty of the crime, they still railroaded him.

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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2018, 06:53:39 AM »
Oswald spoke freely to the world press.  Do you really believe the plan was to muzzle Oswald by not giving him access to a lawyer but let mobs of press folks ask him questions?  That is very silly.  If THEY did not want Oswald to talk to anyone, THEY would not have arrested him to begin with.  THEY had a perfect opportunity to kill him at the Texas Theatre when he pulled a gun.  Honestly, give what you are suggesting some thought.

"Oswald spoke freely to the world press."

LOL

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2018, 01:59:11 PM »
Baloney. Murder has NO statute of limitations. Your point is invalid as usual.

Put the matter to rest by contacting the DPD to determine if they consider the JFK assassination an "open" case.  The statute of limitation has nothing to do with that.  Is the Lincoln assassination an "open case" in your opinion simply because the assassin was killed prior to a trial?  A case is open only if there is reason to believe the murderer is still unknown.  Not because no one was ever been convicted.   Oswald was charged with the assassination of JFK in 1963 by the Texas authorities who had the responsibility for investigating and prosecuting the case.  It's closed.  But again, Oswald's "rights" are relevant only to him in a trial.  Not in any other context.  So it is unclear what objective would be achieved by concluding they were violated in 1963.  What happens then?

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2018, 07:28:05 PM »
I don't care what the DPD say -- the law says that the case is open. Murder has NO statute of limitations.

An author has NO power to close the case either. The case is still OPEN. Live with it.

LHO had rights BEFORE the trial too. Stop lying.

Maybe you should define what you mean by an open case or cite to this "law" you reference.  The Dallas authorities are the only party on planet earth that have the legal authority to prosecute anyone for JFK's assassination.  If they do not consider the matter "open" because they are convinced Oswald did it and the case is solved, it is a closed case.  Or do you still believe the DC police are looking for Lincoln's assassin?  I'm not sure what your final rambling references.  Oswald did have legal rights before the trial.  But the relevance of those rights expired when he did and it became clear there would never be such a trial.  Again, however, assume that you are correct and we all agree Oswald was denied legal counsel.  What would you like to happen now?  Do you want the DPD to write an apology and leave it on Oswald's grave?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2018, 08:51:06 PM »
How about starting a thread on whether Oswald was wearing boxers or briefs on the day he assassinated JFK?  I'm sure that qualifies as an historical fact.

If he did, you would probably consider that to be part of your "mountain of evidence" and that this somehow demonstrated an intention to commit murder.  Because that's what you do.

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Offline Mike Orr

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2018, 02:57:28 AM »
Texas has no Statute of limitations for murder or manslaughter charges .

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2018, 02:37:11 PM »
Look up the term "statute of limitations". Most crimes have one, but murder does NOT. This is an OPEN case. Case closed. 🤣

Ugh.  Is the Lincoln assassination an open case?  You are confusing concepts.  Although there is no statute of limitations on murder, the JFK case is not "open" because the Texas authorities are satisfied that Lee Harvey Oswald was the person responsible for that crime.  When the person responsible for a crime is known to the authorities and deceased (i.e. not subject to prosecution) the matter is considered closed.  It is solved from the perspective of the authorities.  What would be the point in continuing to investigate the matter if the authorities are satisfied that the party responsible for the crime is known?  But don't take my word for it.  Contact the DPD and ask them if the JFK assassination is an open case that they are actively investigating.  Let us know who is still working on this case.  He must be a lonely person not unlike yourself.  Maybe you could become pen pals.  But you have taken us down the rabbit hole again with your endless nonsense.  Even if the matter were technically considered open and we all agreed that Oswald was denied legal counsel, you haven't shown why it matters in 2018 over 50 years after Oswald's death.  The relevance of Oswald's legal rights as they would pertain in a criminal trial expired with him on Nov. 24, 1963 when it became clear there would never be such a trial.  They have no relevance outside that context in regard to his guilt or innocence in the JFK assassination fifty years later.  And you have shown none.  What you are attempting to do is portray Oswald as a sympathetic victim of police injustice.  THEY were out to get him.  LOL.  It's a way to avoid addressing the actual evidence that links Oswald to this crime with absolute certainty.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2018, 02:49:22 PM »
The Lincoln case had a trial. People were found guilty. How clueless are you? Or, is it that you employ lies to hide the truth?

If a brave police force and DA wanted to charge someone for JFK's murder and they have the evidence they could since this is an OPEN case. Are you calling Hoover a liar since he said the case would be open for all of time.

Whew.  There was no trial for John Wilkes Booth.  He was the person who assassinated Lincoln.  Like Oswald he died before he could be tried and convicted.  So is that an open case or not under your misguided application of the statute of limitations?  It is exactly the same scenario as Oswald.  Here is a hint:  The case is closed because the authorities are satisfied Booth was the responsible party (just like Oswald).  They are not actively investigating the Lincoln assassination for that reason.  There would be no point.  The same holds true for the JFK assassination.  It is a closed matter from the perspective of the authorities who have the responsibility to prosecute that matter.   They arrested and charged Oswald for that crime.  They are satisfied that he was the assassin.  He is dead.   The matter is closed from a legal perspective.  Again, if you are claiming otherwise contact the DPD and ask them who is actively working on the JFK investigation.