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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2018, 02:22:45 PM »
Booth was SEEN shooting Lincoln. If he didn't die he could have been tried 50 years later if need be.

There is NO supporting evidence for the claims made by the WC so stop spreading falsehoods.

In which we make some progress!  So is the Lincoln assassination an "open" case or not?  The known assassin was killed prior to receiving a trial and being convicted.  If Oswald had not been killed, he certainly would have been tried but the entire point is that he was killed. Just like Booth.  And the authorities are convinced Oswald was the assassin.  Just like Booth.  Both matter are considered closed by the authorities charged with investigating them.

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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2018, 05:34:55 PM »
The money order has Klein's stamp on it, which indicates that it passed through their till.

No it doesn't.  It indicates that it has "KLEIN'S" stamped on it.

When was it deposited in Klein's bank account?

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2018, 05:40:18 PM »
Are you sure about that? It would seem rather odd if he didn't. The FBI photograph of the money order as well as the money order itself were Warren Commission exhibits.

What is there that connects this particular postal money order with any specific Klein's order?

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Mr. WALDMAN. This is an imprint made by our cash register indicating that the remittance received from the customer was passed through our register on that date.

What on Waldman exhibit 7 tells you what specific money order was remitted?
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2018, 05:41:41 PM »
In which we make some progress!  So is the Lincoln assassination an "open" case or not?  The known assassin was killed prior to receiving a trial and being convicted.  If Oswald had not been killed, he certainly would have been tried but the entire point is that he was killed. Just like Booth.  And the authorities are convinced Oswald was the assassin.  Just like Booth.  Both matter are considered closed by the authorities charged with investigating them.

I smell another circular argument.  How do you know what the authorities are convinced of?

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2018, 06:13:53 PM »
I smell another circular argument.  How do you know what the authorities are convinced of?

I smell something too but it's not circular.  The Dallas authorities arrested and charged Oswald with the assassination in 1963 based on their assessment of the evidence.  Based on their investigation they concluded Oswald was the responsible party.  The prosecuting authorities make that determination not some lonely Internet krank.  It is now 2018.  Nothing has changed.  There is no active investigation into the JFK assassination by the Dallas authorities.  Or do you think some DPD detective goes to work everyday looking for the JFK assassin even though they believe him to be dead?  But it does not matter.  Caprio has simply dragged the discussion into another of his rabbit holes by confusing the concepts of an active case with the statute of limitations.  EVEN if the case were considered open, Oswald's legal rights expired with him.  They are relevant only to Oswald in a trial.  It makes no apparent difference today to his guilt or innocence whether he was denied legal counsel over fifty years ago.   That is the point of the OP.   If someone else were arrested and charged with the assassination, Oswald's legal rights would have no relevance to that matter.  This is just a way to make the double murderer Oswald appear sympathetic as the victim of injustice. 

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2018, 07:31:31 PM »
I smell something too but it's not circular.  The Dallas authorities arrested and charged Oswald with the assassination in 1963 based on their assessment of the evidence.  Based on their investigation they concluded Oswald was the responsible party.

Really, Richard?  You wouldn't be making things up again, would you?  Where was this conclusion documented?

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This is just a way to make the double murderer Oswald appear sympathetic as the victim of injustice.

Calling somebody a "double murderer" doesn't actually prove that he murdered anyone.  And either way, he was the victim of injustice.  He was illegally searched, assaulted, and arrested, deprived of counsel, and railroaded with unfair lineups and evidence with questionable provenance.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2018, 07:47:03 PM »
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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2018, 10:30:32 PM »
The Dallas authorities arrested and charged Oswald with the assassination in 1963 based on their assessment of the evidence.  Based on their investigation they concluded Oswald was the responsible party.  The prosecuting authorities make that determination not some lonely Internet krank.

Really, Richard?  You wouldn't be making things up again, would you?  Where was this conclusion documented?

Here you go John:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/html/WH_Vol20_0171a.htm

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2018, 10:48:46 PM »
Here you go John:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/html/WH_Vol20_0171a.htm

That's an arraignment complaint.  It's an accusation, not a conclusion.  Exactly what investigation had been done on JFK's murder before 1:35 am on 11/23/63?

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2018, 05:04:32 PM »
We have made no progress as you continue to lie. No one disputes that Booth killed Lincoln as this was witnessed, but there is NO supporting evidence for the claim that LHO shot JFK or JDT. None.

You have no way of showing that LHO killed anyone. You're sunk.

In which you are ominously close to actually learning something!  Who would have thought it possible after so many examples to the contrary?  So you agree the Lincoln assassination is not an open case because the authorities are convinced of Booth's guilt and despite the fact that he received no trial, conviction, or legal counsel.  Sound familiar?  In addition the statue of limitations has not expired on the Lincoln assassination.  So that also addresses your prior erroneous argument that because there is no SOL on murder the matter must be considered an open case in the absence of a conviction.   Transfer those principles to the JFK assassination.  The only difference in circumstance is that you, as a fringe loon, don't accept the overwhelming evidence of Oswald's guilt.  The history books and Dallas authorities representing the voice of reason, however, have concluded that Oswald was the responsible party.  The case is closed on that matter. 

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2018, 05:04:32 PM »