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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2018, 09:30:53 PM »
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So what?

How do you know that they lied? We know that Oswald made an on-camera show for the public but did he actually make a request for an attorney to the DPD? If so, how do you know?

Why do you think his "on camera show" as you put it was not a request to the DPD?  According to Gerald Hill, who was a DPD officer, Oswald asked for a lawyer when they were still in the theater.  And according to one of your star witnesses, William Whaley, he also asked for a lawyer during his lineup.  Is this somehow also not supposed to be a "real request" either?  What makes it a real request in your mind?  Oswald was held incommunicado until Saturday around noon.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2018, 11:52:50 PM »
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Police can hold someone without laying charges for a couple days.  I don't think Oswald was charged with any crime at the time he was killed, he was held as a suspect

He was still allowed his rights which the DPD and the DA denied.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2018, 11:59:21 PM »
Under the Bill of Rights you are entitled to representation. You are also entitled to remain silent.

Since the DPD, FBI and the SS claimed that LHO answered questions despite not being represented then he had to waive his right to an attorney, but this form is nowhere to be found.

Can any LNer provide this signed waiver form?

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2018, 04:03:39 PM »
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Under the Bill of Rights you are entitled to representation. You are also entitled to remain silent.

Since the DPD, FBI and the SS claimed that LHO answered questions despite not being represented then he had to waive his right to an attorney, but this form is nowhere to be found.

Can any LNer provide this signed waiver form?

I guess not. Therefore, his rights were violated.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2018, 04:50:21 PM »
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Under the Bill of Rights you are entitled to representation. You are also entitled to remain silent.

Since the DPD, FBI and the SS claimed that LHO answered questions despite not being represented then he had to waive his right to an attorney, but this form is nowhere to be found.

Can any LNer provide this signed waiver form?

Again, it makes no difference now.  Oswald is long dead.   Any "rights" that he might have been denied him over 50 years ago are relevant only in the context of a criminal trial that will never take place.  Not outside that context.   Here on planet earth, we can take all the relevant information into consideration - whether it would have been admissible or not in a trial - and use that to assess whether Oswald was the assassin.  Conduct a seance and let Oswald know that you believe his rights were violated if that will make you feel better but resolution of that issue adds or detracts nothing, however, from the case against him.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2018, 05:39:27 PM »
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Again, it makes no difference now.  Oswald is long dead.   Any "rights" that he might have been denied him over 50 years ago are relevant only in the context of a criminal trial that will never take place.  Not outside that context.   Here on planet earth, we can take all the relevant information into consideration - whether it would have been admissible or not in a trial - and use that to assess whether Oswald was the assassin.  Conduct a seance and let Oswald know that you believe his rights were violated if that will make you feel better but resolution of that issue adds or detracts nothing, however, from the case against him.

It makes a big difference as this is still an OPEN case. LHO was DENIED his rights and this was only necessary if there was NO evidence supporting the claims of the authorities. If there really had been supporting evidence for their claims then this wouldn't have been necessary at all.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2018, 05:02:49 AM »
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It makes a big difference as this is still an OPEN case. LHO was DENIED his rights and this was only necessary if there was NO evidence supporting the claims of the authorities. If there really had been supporting evidence for their claims then this wouldn't have been necessary at all.

No.  This is NOT an open case.  Therefore, your point is entirely invalid.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2018, 02:32:13 PM »
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It makes a big difference as this is still an OPEN case. LHO was DENIED his rights and this was only necessary if there was NO evidence supporting the claims of the authorities. If there really had been supporting evidence for their claims then this wouldn't have been necessary at all.

Contact the DPD and ask them if this is an open case.  Get back to us with their answer.  Is the Lincoln assassination an open case because Booth didn't live long enough to be convicted?  And even if this were an "open" case, Oswald's rights are relevant only to him in a criminal trial.  No one else.  He is dead.  The rest of your babbling makes no sense.  Do you think police only want to interrogate people that are innocent of crimes and not those that are guilty?  LOL.  The police want information.  The more a suspect talks the better regardless of how much evidence they have.  Particularly in the early stages of the investigation when they are trying to confirm what happened.  They have incentives to encourage guilty parties to talk their heads off.  To suggest the police would not want to interrogate Oswald on Nov. 22-24 if they had a strong case is one of the most bizarre claims made here.  And that is saying a whole lot.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2018, 03:21:31 PM »
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Again, it makes no difference now.  Oswald is long dead.   Any "rights" that he might have been denied him over 50 years ago are relevant only in the context of a criminal trial that will never take place.  Not outside that context.   Here on planet earth, we can take all the relevant information into consideration - whether it would have been admissible or not in a trial - and use that to assess whether Oswald was the assassin.  Conduct a seance and let Oswald know that you believe his rights were violated if that will make you feel better but resolution of that issue adds or detracts nothing, however, from the case against him.

Dickie is being stupid again. Historical events are constantly being re-evaluated in light of new information that arises. Ya know, thanks to...dare I say it? Research. What a boob.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2018, 07:48:58 PM »
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Dickie is being stupid again. Historical events are constantly being re-evaluated in light of new information that arises. Ya know, thanks to...dare I say it? Research. What a boob.

I'm glad you are not resorting to insults and sticking to substance.  You wouldn't want to be accused of being a bully by maintaining those lofty standards that you demand of others.   LOL.  Of course none of what you said here is relevant to this discussion.  This has nothing to do with anyone's ability to evaluate new information about this case.  What exactly do you believe is "new" about a claim that Oswald was denied legal counsel in 1963?  Do you have some new information on that topic that we are unaware?  No, of course not.  My point is that even if Oswald were denied his "rights" in 1963 it has no apparent relevance since those rights expired with him and could be asserted only in a criminal trial.  Thus, even if Caprio were correct it makes no apparent difference as to whether Oswald was the assassin.  In fact, we benefit from the DPD's alleged violation of Oswald's rights by having access to the information that was derived from his interrogation.  Caprio is trying to exclude - not expand - the information we have about Oswald by suggesting he was a victim whose rights were denied and the information he provided to the DPD should be expunged from the record.  He is making a defense attorney argument outside the context of a trial.

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Re: Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2018, 07:48:58 PM »