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Offline Michael Carney

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Re: Did the CIA assassinate JFK?
« Reply #72 on: September 02, 2020, 01:20:16 AM »
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“Speer seems to think there was actual "smoke" seen on the knoll. His Donahue/Hickey analysis is more grounded. Hard to argue with photos and film.”

Hard to argue with a bunch of witnesses also.

“Could have been car and motorcycle exhaust from when the front of the motorcycle accelerated out of the kill zone. Knowing a gun had recently been fired might have subconsciously "colored" any similar smell.”

People always try to use this argument but the two gases are distinctly different. Gun powder has sulfur in it and car exhaust does not. There were several people with lots of weapons experience in the witness list, they know the different smells.

“Seems to me she's assuming certain things happened.”


Hard to say what she was thinking being under fire and all. There were plenty of other witnesses that thought Hickey had fired the gun.

“I take it you mean Agent Clint Hill. Powers was sat on the passenger-side jump-seat.”

I did mean Clint Hill

“How convenient. Can only show you the water, not make you drink.”


Sorry but it is blurry as hell.

“I personally think a Carcano 6.5mm bullet could account for the trail of fragments in the President's skull.”


Now you are a ballistics expert? Look I did a rough comparison between FMJ fragments and frangible fragments. In one hand you have a few pebbles and in the other hand you have20 or so coffee grounds, they are totally different. Ballistics expert after ballistics expert stated that FMJ rounds do not fragment when they hit a skull.

“And I don't believe there was "gun smoke" seen on the knoll or at the fence.”

You don’t believe it! Well there were plenty of witnesses that did so your “belief” doesn’t count.

“The collapse of the Donahue/Hickey Theory isn't much important.”

Dream on, it didn’t collapse, until you can tell me where the gun smoke came from and where the frangible round from the back came from, it’s alive and well.

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Re: Did the CIA assassinate JFK?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did the CIA assassinate JFK?
« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2020, 04:56:06 AM »
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Did the CIA assassinate JFK?
Speculation...Upon hearing that JFK 'didn't have long', Allen Dulles probably refreshed his pipe and went back to reading. 

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Re: Did the CIA assassinate JFK?
« Reply #74 on: September 03, 2020, 05:05:26 AM »
 
Fanciful recreation from a movie.
Surely Jackie's backside wasn't that big  :-\

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #75 on: September 03, 2020, 02:53:02 PM »
Witnesses to smelling gunpowder at street level:
 Ralph Yarborough was in the car two cars behind the Presidents car and said he smelled gunpowder. He is a war veteran with more than 50 years experience with fire arms. WC Vol VII, pg 439
I have read that affidavit several times before and fail to see where he said anything about 'gunpowder', 'smoke', or 'smelling' anything.
In fact the senator gave in to 'three shots' and ' they were coming from high back at the building'.
Something Mrs Cabell was not supposed to say...
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Mr. HUBERT. And it was about that time that you observed the odor?
Mr. CABELL. Of gunpowder.
Mr. HUBERT. That was when your car at least had come to a standstill?
Mr. CABELL. Every car in the motorcade had come to a standstill.

Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Did the CIA assassinate JFK?
« Reply #76 on: September 03, 2020, 06:41:39 PM »

In fact the senator gave in to 'three shots' and ' they were coming from high back at the building'.


No, Jerry. He just stated the shots  were coming from the rear.

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Did the CIA assassinate JFK?
« Reply #77 on: September 04, 2020, 04:48:52 AM »
The CIA did assassinate JFK.

There are clear motives: the failed Bay of Pigs operation and terminated plans to kill Fidel Castro. JFK was first mad at the CIA because of the Bay of Pigs and he never forgave the agency for the public embarrassment. He threatened to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind. On top of this, there are contracts between the CIA and organized crime to assassinate Castro. JFK immediately terminated these plans and sent the FBI and law enforcement to break up the CIA training camps. There is no doubt that the two had growing conflict. After the assassination, the Warren Commission sat for ten months and never hired any investigators and relied on the FBI and CIA to investigate. To no surprise, they found themselves innocent. The agency never even disclosed information about the previous plans to kill Castro to the Commission. Let's not forget a possible connection between the CIA and Lee Harvey Oswald. Around September-October of 1963, Oswald went to Mexico City and attempted to get visas from the Soviet and Cuban embassies but he failed. The agency denied knowing about this trip but documents show that they did have pre-assassination knowledge. The CIA cannot be trusted. Based on their quick response, cover-ups, and withholding of important information from the Warren Commission, the CIA obviously has something to hide.


I believe there potentially were individuals connected to the CIA involved with a conspiracy to kill JFK including Lee Harvey Oswald.

And while the CIA as an organization likely didn’t authorize the conspiracy, they were forced to cover it up due to their connections to other possible suspects in Kennedy’s murder like William King Harvey or David Morales.

Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Did the CIA assassinate JFK?
« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2020, 04:43:03 PM »
Willie Morris, quoting Allen Dulles :

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https://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/03/arts/willie-morris-64-writer-on-the-southern-experience.html
Willie Morris, 64, Writer on the Southern Experience
By Peter Applebome
Aug. 3, 1999

Willie Morris,
the writer and editor whose life and work reveled in the endless contradictions of the South and the region's ghostlike hold on its native sons and daughters, died on Monday at St. Dominic Hospital in Jackson, Miss., at 64.

The cause was heart failure, said a hospital official.

Mr. Morris, who turned his childhood in Yazoo City, Miss., into a place almost as complex and resonant as William Faulkner's Yoknapatawpha County, went from a country boy to a Rhodes Scholar to a literary Wunderkind, becoming editor in chief of Harper's Magazine at age 32.

But just as Truman Capote famously said that all Southerners eventually come home, if only in a box, Mr. Morris returned to Mississippi in 1980 and never stopped exploring what he once described as ''the old warring impulses of one's sensibility to be both Southern and American.''......

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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Did the CIA assassinate JFK?
« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2020, 04:59:52 PM »
Willie Morris, quoting Allen Dulles :



why does no one get this, tom?