Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle

[Colin Crow]

Look I really don't care and the old thread and Forum for whatever reason is gone so lets start fresh and try to debate with honour and dignity.

JohnM

And what better way to start than with a more sophisticated approach than the black and white CT categorization for those not convinced by the WR findiyngs.

[John Mytton]

And what better way to start than with a more sophisticated approach than the black and white CT categorization for those not convinced by the WR findings.

What, you're offended by "Kook"? Yet when I'm called a LNer "Nutter" you don't see me crying.



JohnM

[Colin Crow]

What, you're offended by "Kook"? Yet when I'm called a LNer "Nutter" you don't see me crying.



JohnM

No John......the unsophisticated labelling of all those not convinced by the WR into an amporphous group "CT/kook/whatever" that supposedly believes in every JFK proposed conspiracy, fake moon landings, 911, Sasquatch, creationism  etc etc.

I thought even blind Frederick could see what I was talking about. Do you understand my point? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Or you can do your usual tactic of ignoring the questions that are uncomfortable.

[Walt Cakebread]

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William Sucher on March 12, 1964, advised he has bought hundreds of thousands of rifles overseas as Italian Government surplus and he does NOT maintain the serial numbers of these rifles. Many were collected from battlefields and places of improper storage and they were in very poor condition. They were usually bought by the pound rather than by the unit. Upon arrival in Canada, defective parts were removed and salable rifles were sometimes composed of parts of three or more weapons. Sucher advised the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was manufactured in Italy from 1891 to 1941 however in the 1930?s ordered all arms factories to manufacture the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. SINCE MANY CONCERNS WERE MANUFACTURING THE SAME WEAPON, THE SAME SERIAL NUMBER APPEARS ON WEAPONS MANUFACTURED BY MORE THAN ONE CONCERN.? (emphasis added) (CE 2562, p. 808)

https://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0419b.htm

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Riva was contracted to REMOVE serial numbers. Why did the alleged murder weapon have a serial number on it IF it came through the way the WC claimed?

If there were two model 91/38 carcano short rifles manufactured with the same serial number....would you please calculate the odds of those two rifles being sold as surplus, shipped to the US and ended up in Dallas Texas?

My guess is you'd have better odds of winning the lottery.....

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt rushing to the defense of LNers again. Shocker. NOT!

The point is more than one rifle can bear the SAME serial number.  The WC and LNers have said this isn't true. Hoover's memo shows that it is.

Using common sense is defense of LNer's ??

[Jerry Organ]

Each factory that made Carcanos would stamp its location onto the rifle. C2766 has "TERNI" stamped on it. There were. I believe, three other manufacturers, but Terni produced the vast majority of M91/38 Carcanos. Rifles were stamped numerically 000-9999, after which an alphabetical prefix was added.

Possibly, rifles bearing a "2766" numerical marking would have been produced at each factory in this order:

2766	N2766	AA2766	AN2766	BA2766	BN2766
A2766	O2766	AB2766	AO2766	BB2766	BO2766
B2766	P2766	AC2766	AP2766	BC2766	BP2766
C2766	Q2766	AD2766	AQ2766	BD2766	BQ2766
D2766	R2766	AE2766	AR2766	BE2766	BR2766
E2766	S2766	AF2766	AS2766	BF2766	BS2766
F2766	T2766	AG2766	AT2766	BG2766	BT2766
G2766	U2766	AH2766	AU2766	BH2766	BU2766
H2766	V2766	AI2766	AV2766	BI2766	BV2766
I2766	W2766	AJ2766	AW2766	BJ2766	BW2766
J2766	X2766	AK2766	AX2766	B-K-2766	BX2766
K2766	Y2766	AL2766	AY2766	BL2766	BY2766
L2766	Z2766	AM2766	AZ2766	BM2766	BZ2766
M2766

... and so on through the alphabet.

[John Iacoletti]

I was multi-tasking when I wrote that.

I should have said:

However: Lee Harvey Oswald could have taken TAPE from a "new" roll that had yet to be put in the dispenser.  Mystery solved.

If the tape had "marks from the dispenser on it", that proves (beyond a reasonable doubt) that the paper sack was made from materials taken from the TSBD 1st floor wrapping paper/tape dispenser.

This means:

1) Oswald made the paper-sack at the dispenser while no TSBD employee was watching.

2) Oswald somehow manipulated the tape-dispenser so it did not wet the tape when he took some (and paper) intending to make the paper-sack at the Paine's garage on Thursday evening or Friday morning.

3) Oswald "did" remove wet tape from the dispenser; concealed it somewhere; let it dry. He later (at the Paine's garage) wet the tape and used it to make the paper-sack.

4) The Dallas Police constructed the paper-sack to demonstrate how Oswald smuggled the rifle into the TSBD ... and further incriminate him. In this scenario: Dallas police officers smuggled the rifle (Carcano) into the TSBD (before 12:30 pm CST) for the assassin (not Oswald) to use in the murder of JFK.

Why do you assume that it had to either be Oswald or the police?

Assuming that you reject #1, #2 & #3: You need to assign a reason for Dallas Police officers (several) to participate in a plot to murder President John F. Kennedy. I'm assuming you believe they had the "means" and "opportunity". That leaves "motive".

Why would you assume that if the police constructed the bag, it was because they were participating in a plot to  murder Kennedy?

[John Iacoletti]

Or Oswald got to work a little earlier on Thursday and spent a couple of minutes building his rifle bag.

Is there any evidence that Oswald got to work earlier than West on Thursday (or any other day?)