Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle

[Walt Cakebread]

I don't know if there is any evidence that could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald owned the rifle allegedly found on the 6th floor, but that doesn't entitle you to lie about the evidence that does exist.

I can think of a few things that would make your case stronger though:

- any USPS documentation of the alleged shipment from Klein's to PO box 2915
- original documents
- a signed and dated signature form from whoever picked up such a package
- an eyewitness description of the person who picked up such a package
- any evidence, eyewitness or otherwise, placing that specific rifle (not just one that resembled it) in Oswald's possession at any time

But this is all a red herring, because proving that he owned C2766 doesn't actually tell you anything about who killed the president.

any evidence, eyewitness or otherwise, placing that specific rifle (not just one that resembled it) in Oswald's possession at any time

I'm sure that you know that the BY photo CE 133A shows Lee Oswald holding a mannlicher carcano.... But that rifle is quite different than the mannlicher carcano that was found wiped clean of finger prints, and well hidden beneath boxes of books in the TSBD.  The rifle shown in CE 133A had no sling.....  Someone had "penciled in" a silly looking rendition of a sling ( looks like something Elmer Fudd had attached to his shotgun) on the BY photo.   

The rifle that was found in the TSBD had a HEAVY black leather, sling attached to it.....  There are photos that were taken as FBI agent Vince Drain carried the rifle on the night of 11/22/63 that show the sling to be made from HEAVY leather   The rifle that was presented to the Warren Commission had a flimsy light weight leather sling attached to it.   

[Martin Weidmann]

You are too dishonest or nutty to own up to claiming all evidence is faked or the product of lies.  Rather, you do this in each individual instance which proves the point over and over again.  And the evidence in this case has nothing to do with your nutty posts on an Internet forum.  I'm not sure why you are posting my point about Oswald being in flight after the assassination as proof of a lie unless you erroneously believe a criminal can only be in flight if he runs away in a panic.  The basic concept of flight is leaving the scene of a crime to avoid apprehension.  Which is exactly what Oswald did.

You are too dishonest or nutty to own up to claiming all evidence is faked or the product of lies.

Hang on, wasn't it you who wrote this;

Because you claim all evidence against Oswald is the product of fakery or lies doesn't mean it does not exist.

So first you lie about John claiming that and now you switch to him being too dishonest or nutty to make that claim?

Talk about dishonesty; you just exposed your own lie, fool.... now own it!


And the evidence in this case has nothing to do with your nutty posts on an Internet forum.

It's always funny when Richard throws a tantrum and talks gibberish....

[John Iacoletti]

You are too dishonest or nutty to own up to claiming all evidence is faked or the product of lies.

Then stop claiming that I do, if you don't like being called a liar.

  Rather, you do this in each individual instance which proves the point over and over again.

Really?  Then you should be able to quote these individual examples.  But you can't because you are Mr. Dishonest Strawman Argument.  What I point out in each case is that the evidence doesn't actually show what you claim it does.

  And the evidence in this case has nothing to do with your nutty posts on an Internet forum.  I'm not sure why you are posting my point about Oswald being in flight after the assassination as proof of a lie unless you erroneously believe a criminal can only be in flight if he runs away in a panic.

Uh, because you claimed without any evidence that he left to avoid apprehension.  Do you know this because of your mad mindreading skilz, or are you stating your speculations as fact?  Again.

[John Mytton]

The order form depicts a 36" Carbine. The alleged murder weapon is a 40" model. There is NO evidence supporting the claim that LHO received a rifle at his P.O. Box. None.

If you disagree then cite it.

This isn't brain surgery, the warehouse received an order for C20-T750 and they sent out C20-T750. Case Closed!







JohnM

[Jerry Organ]

The order form depicts a 36" Carbine. The alleged murder weapon is a 40" model. There is NO evidence supporting the claim that LHO received a rifle at his P.O. Box. None.

If you disagree then cite it.

What is "depicted" in the ad is a modified M91 Carcano (the original Carcano model) shortened from its 50.6" factory length to about 41".

What was described is a 36" Cacano that weighs 5.5 lbs. Like the model in the illustration, it also was a type of Carcano the company wasn't shipping. What they were shipping were 40" Carcano, which ads following this one described as that length (and a few ads later on, the weight was corrected).

[Walt Cakebread]

What is "depicted" in the ad is a modified M91 Carcano (the original Carcano model) shortened from its 50.6" factory length to about 41".

What was described is a 36" Cacano that weighs 5.5 lbs. Like the model in the illustration, it also was a type of Carcano the company wasn't shipping. What they were shipping were 40" Carcano, which ads following this one described as that length (and a few ads later on, the weight was corrected).

Organ is right......

[John Mytton]

What is "depicted" in the ad is a modified M91 Carcano (the original Carcano model) shortened from its 50.6" factory length to about 41".

What was described is a 36" Cacano that weighs 5.5 lbs. Like the model in the illustration, it also was a type of Carcano the company wasn't shipping. What they were shipping were 40" Carcano, which ads following this one described as that length (and a few ads later on, the weight was corrected).

I don't think that these cheap Italian Carcanos were much of a priority for Kleins considering the profit margin and they probably made more money on the scopes and ammo.
The following ads were both from April 1963 gun magazines and both show the same serial number C20-T750 but have differing weights and lengths but realistically from Kleins POV both rifles took the same ammo and the 40 inch was bonus so what's the problem?, it was a win win situation! It's not like a pair of shoes which must be an exact size, in the Carcano 6.5mm World it was one size fits all.



It seems that Oswald made his paper bag assuming that he received the 36 inch rifle, the look on Oswald's face when he realized his 38 inch bag wouldn't fit his 40 inch rifle would have been priceless! Hahaha!





JohnM

[John Mytton]

You still have not cited evidence showing that LHO ever received a rifle at his P.O. Box.

Oswald was photographed with C2766.





JohnM