Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle

[Walt Cakebread]

The word "paid" is written right there on the invoice.  Back in the old days a lot of businesses used to stamp the word "paid" on invoices and receipts.

IMO .....The word "paid" is referring to the excise tax......

[John Iacoletti]

Illegal arrest?

They had no probable cause to even search him, much less to arrest him for murder.

[Walt Cakebread]

That is absolutely deniable. It’s not even true. By all accounts the struggle for the gun happened before the (illegal) arrest.

But there isn’t any evidence that V510210 was even there in the theater. Gerald Hill pulled a revolver with no documented chain of custody out of his pocket 2 hours later at the station, several cops initialed it then, and then it was submitted into evidence.

But there isn’t any evidence that V510210 was even there in the theater.

V510210    "V"??  On the evidence list..... The S&W revolver is identified by the serial # 510210....  There is no "V" preceding the number.

[Jerry Freeman]

Let's not get too far off topic. I have already changed it enough to---LHO ordered the weapons?

Because that's (obviously) not the way it was done at mail-order outfits that sold firearms.

Proof that it's obvious? Also ...the serial # is incomplete. In addition --it is obvious [apparently] that bullets for the S&W must have been obtained in a grab bag from some gun shop. 
 I have gone through the DVP links and the links that he links and remain unconvinced that Oswald ordered/obtained the guns.
Even David Von Pein seemed confused as he amended his conclusions several times...

"3. There is no evidence of a notification card telling LHO to do this [i.e., go to REA to pick up the gun]." 
And that's very likely due to the fact that Oswald didn't need to go to the Railway Express office to pick up the revolver. He picked it up right there at the post office.
 [EDIT: I have since changed my opinion on this point. See the Dale Myers' quote and article above.]
[ADDITIONAL EDIT: But also see THIS POST, which includes the Post Office regulations for the handling of C.O.D. mail, which seem to indicate that my original interpretation of Oswald picking up his revolver at the Dallas Post Office might not be incorrect after all.]
Plus: Even if Oswald was required to go to the REA office to get the gun, why on Earth would the slip of paper telling him to do so need to be retained by anybody? That type of paperwork would very likely get thrown away after Oswald picked up his merchandise.

That type of paperwork would very likely get thrown away after Oswald picked up his merchandise. A customer submits notification that they have a delivery and so the service employee tosses this  proof of pickup away? Just routine huh?
Did Oswald pick up the S&W at the railway office or the post office? It only matters that he picked it up somewhere because they say he did.

[Walt Cakebread]

Let's not get too far off topic. I have already changed it enough to---LHO ordered the weapons? Proof that it's obvious? Also ...the serial # is incomplete. In addition --it is obvious [apparently] that bullets for the S&W must have been obtained in a grab bag from some gun shop. 
 I have gone through the DVP links and the links that he links and remain unconvinced that Oswald ordered/obtained the guns.
Even David Von Pein seemed confused as he amended his conclusions several times...That type of paperwork would very likely get thrown away after Oswald picked up his merchandise. A customer submits notification that they have a delivery and so the service employee tosses this  proof of pickup away? Just routine huh?
Did Oswald pick up the S&W at the railway office or the post office? It only matters that he picked it up somewhere because they say he did.

it is obvious [apparently] that bullets for the S&W must have been obtained in a grab bag from some gun shop. 

The spent 38 cases look like they been in a leather cartridge belt in a damp or humid climate....It's difficult to be sure when one has only photos of the cases ...but... They appear to be corroded as happens when cartridges are stored in a cartridge belt.  Cops routinely store ammo in a cartridge belt....and if they fail to rotate the ammo and use up the old ammo, on the firing range, and replace the old cartridges with new fresh ammo, the cartridges become corroded.   Also the fact that there were two different brands of ammo is an indication that the shells could have been in a cop's cartridge belt.  The spent shells were manufactured by Winchester and Remington Peters ....These shells were commonly used by Police Departments throughout the country....and therefore it was not uncommon for a cop's cartridge belt to contain a mixture of cartridges. 

[Jerry Freeman]

But there isn’t any evidence that V510210 was even there in the theater.

V510210    "V"??  On the evidence list..... The S&W revolver is identified by the serial # 510210....  There is no "V" preceding the number.

Mr. BALL. Now, what serial number did the FBI give you?
Mr. MICHAELIS. V, as in victory, 510210-65248.
Mr. BALL. Now, those two numbers signify what?
Mr. MICHAELIS. The first number, V510210, is commonly described as the butt number, while the second number, 65248, usually is described as the crane number.
Mr. BALL. Now, the serial numbers are stamped where on the gun?
Mr. MICHAELIS. As mentioned before, the first number is on the butt of the gun.
Mr. BALL. I see.
Mr. MICHAELIS. And also it appears on the lower part of the barrel.
Furthermore, it appears also on the outside rim of the cylinder of the gun. In other words, the first number, 510210, appears three times on the gun.
Mr. BALL. And that is usually known as the serial number of the gun; is that right?
Mr. MICHAELIS. Yes. But, we are---it is required that since Smith & Wesson revolvers carry two kinds of serial numbers, also to list the so-called crane number.
Mr. BALL. Is that also known as the assembly number, the crane number?
Mr. MICHAELIS. I am not familiar with the word assembly number.....

Why did he stop short when he said "Yes but we are...." Did someone shake their head at him?
"We are'' What? Required to list the complete numbers on the invoice?
Mr Michaelis boss [Mr Rose] ---- Why was he hanging out? 

The testimony of Heinz W. Michaelis was taken at 10 a.m., on May 11, 1964, at 1200 North Soto Street, Los Angeles, Calif., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. George A. Rose, President of George Rose & Co., was present.

[Walt Cakebread]

Why did he stop short when he said "Yes but we are...." Did someone shake their head at him?
"We are'' What? Required to list the complete numbers on the invoice?
Mr Michaelis boss [Mr Rose] ---- Why was he hanging out?

The first number, V510210, is commonly described as the butt number, while the second number, 65248, usually is described as the crane number.

So now not only did the revolver not have the "V" preceding the serial number .....it also apparently did not have the number 65248 stamped on it....   

[David Von Pein]

Prove that the control number above the serial number was an actual Klein's control number, then you have a minute chance of keeping your fantasy alive.

Good luck!

Waldman Exhibit No. 4 (below) proves that Klein's assigned the Control Number of VC-836 to the exact rifle that Klein's shipped to Oswald, Serial Number C2766....

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0362b.htm

And the VC-836 / C2766 match is confirmed by Klein's Vice President William J. Waldman in his Warren Commission
testimony (at 7 H 364)....

Mr. BELIN. Well, I hand you what has been marked as Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 4 and ask you to state if you know what this is.
Mr. WALDMAN. This is the record created by us showing the control number we have assigned to the gun together with the serial number that is imprinted in the frame of the gun.
Mr. BELIN. Now, this is a photostat, I believe, of records you have in front of you on your desk right now?
Mr. WALDMAN. That's correct.
Mr. BELIN. Do you find anywhere on Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 4 the serial number C2766?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. And what is your control number for that?
Mr. WALDMAN. Our control number for that is VC-836.

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Am I supposed to now believe that the document marked as Waldman Exhibit No. #4 is a fake document too? And am I therefore also supposed to believe that William Waldman was lying through his teeth in his above testimony?

I'll repeat here something I asked the stubborn batch of conspiracy theorists at The Education Forum a few years ago....

How many things that appear to be kosher does it take to make an item cross over into the category of "Real and Legitimate"? Or is that a stupid question to ask a conspiracy believer?

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/10/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1058.html