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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #136 on: January 19, 2018, 06:55:27 PM »
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All this proves is that when they had the opportunity to tamper with the evidence against Oswald none of it was altered, which unfortunately for you has a devastating effect on your client, sorry about that. :'(

JohnM

They didn't alter the cartridge cases Poe marked, they made them disappear.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #136 on: January 19, 2018, 06:55:27 PM »


Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #137 on: January 20, 2018, 02:19:57 AM »
No proof that he owned a rifle?  LOL.  There are pictures of Oswald holding it. 

Ignorance strikes again; apart from the problem that there is absolutely no conclusive evidence to support the claim that the rifle Oswald is holding in the photo is the same one that was ordered from Klein's or the one that was found at the TSBD, according to Richard Smith, being photographed holding a rifle means you own that rifle! Hilarious!

Documents that confirm that the same rifle found at his workplace was the one sent to him via a matching serial number.

There are no such documents.

His prints are on the rifle.

No there were not. The FBI didn't find any prints...... Only days later, Lt Day produced a card with one print on it which he claimed came from the rifle. That's the same guy who believed Frazier about the bag and came up with the silly theory that the heavy bag he had could have been concealed in the flimsy bag Frazier had seen Oswald carry.

It is difficult to understand how there could be any more evidence absent a time machine. 

No. It's difficult to understand how you could be so extremely gullible as you seem to be.....

Only days later, Lt Day produced a card with one print on it which he claimed came from the rifle.

This simply isn't true.....   The DPD turned over to the FBI that unidentifiable smudge that as later called Lee palm print at Midnight 11/22/63.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #138 on: January 21, 2018, 06:49:15 AM »
 if the MC rifle Oswald supposedly ordered, included a scope mounted on it by a professional gunsmith at Kleins, why, (if the same rifle that was found on the 6th floor)have a scope mount so poorly aligned that the only way  possible to get the scope in alignment was to unscrew the mount, insert a shim, to correct it?

It is difficult to believe Oswald was dumb enough to have:

A. Used a fake ID with A.Hidell, a name which he must have remembered was in some letters he had written,  while in the USSR. Why not make up a completely unrelated name instead?

B. Even if Oswald was dumb enough to use a fake name that linked himself thru some letters written, why not just open another P.O. box at a completely different office and have rifle sent to that office, and to that P.O.box. Instead Oswald uses his own P.O. box and lists A.Hidell as an alternate??

C. Why would Oswald even bother ordering a rifle at all, when he could have easily bought a rifle from gun store in a completely different state, even probably gotten one from Mexico, without any paper trail at all linking the rifle to himself?

D. After doing dumb A thru C, Oswald dumb enough to keep his fake Hidell ID on his person even after shooting both JFK and a police officer, and then droping his wallet with that ID at the Tippett scene?

Other things  a little odd:

1. no fingerprints on the order form (Oswald smart enough to wear gloves, but dumb enough write in his own handwriting?
2. ammo. Where the ammo come from? no one remembers selling a very particular and uncommon 6.5 mm MC ammo to a kind of peculiar acting guy, like Oswald??? The same Oswald that LOTS of other people seem to have remembered easily, after just a brief glimpse, at the restaurant, at an apartment, on a bus, in a cab, in a theater buying popcorn.. etc.

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« Reply #138 on: January 21, 2018, 06:49:15 AM »


Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #139 on: January 21, 2018, 04:08:42 PM »
if the MC rifle Oswald supposedly ordered, included a scope mounted on it by a professional gunsmith at Kleins, why, (if the same rifle that was found on the 6th floor)have a scope mount so poorly aligned that the only way  possible to get the scope in alignment was to unscrew the mount, insert a shim, to correct it?

It is difficult to believe Oswald was dumb enough to have:

A. Used a fake ID with A.Hidell, a name which he must have remembered was in some letters he had written,  while in the USSR. Why not make up a completely unrelated name instead?

B. Even if Oswald was dumb enough to use a fake name that linked himself thru some letters written, why not just open another P.O. box at a completely different office and have rifle sent to that office, and to that P.O.box. Instead Oswald uses his own P.O. box and lists A.Hidell as an alternate??

C. Why would Oswald even bother ordering a rifle at all, when he could have easily bought a rifle from gun store in a completely different state, even probably gotten one from Mexico, without any paper trail at all linking the rifle to himself?

D. After doing dumb A thru C, Oswald dumb enough to keep his fake Hidell ID on his person even after shooting both JFK and a police officer, and then droping his wallet with that ID at the Tippett scene?

Other things  a little odd:

1. no fingerprints on the order form (Oswald smart enough to wear gloves, but dumb enough write in his own handwriting?
2. ammo. Where the ammo come from? no one remembers selling a very particular and uncommon 6.5 mm MC ammo to a kind of peculiar acting guy, like Oswald??? The same Oswald that LOTS of other people seem to have remembered easily, after just a brief glimpse, at the restaurant, at an apartment, on a bus, in a cab, in a theater buying popcorn.. etc.

He expects a gun-dealer or store worker to remember Oswald buying ammunition, but doesn't see that as a reason why Oswald wouldn't buy a more-likely-to-be-remembered rifle in person.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #140 on: January 21, 2018, 05:17:19 PM »
He also bought pistol ammo a holster and a sling.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #141 on: January 21, 2018, 05:58:31 PM »
No need to rely on the only person who witnessed the crime?

Prove those shells were found at the crime scene.  Or even the same ones found by the Davises.

Prove that revolver was taken from Oswald.

That's easy for you to say.

You can't demonstrate their provenance.  That's enough.

No need to rely on the only person who witnessed the crime?

Do you think Domingo Benavides didn't witness the murder?

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #142 on: January 22, 2018, 06:03:18 PM »
No need to rely on the only person who witnessed the crime?

Prove those shells were found at the crime scene.  Or even the same ones found by the Davises.

Prove that revolver was taken from Oswald.

That's easy for you to say.

You can't demonstrate their provenance.  That's enough.

Endless contrarian nonsense.  Prove the sky is blue if someone can dismiss any such evidence out of hand as the potential product of fakery and lies.  And then claim you haven't satisfied his idiotic, subjective standard of proof as though that matters.  Ridiculous.  You should be embarrassed to peddle that same song and dance over and over. 

Inspector Clouseau (aka John) explains the "facts" to us:



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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
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Offline Mike Orr

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #143 on: January 22, 2018, 10:49:31 PM »
LHO's prints were only found after the boys went to the morgue and put LHO's ink stained hands on the rifle . Nobody can put that rifle in LHO's hands and if they could , he couldn't hit anything with it. There was no proof that LHO ever picked up a rifle at the Post Office . It sounds like Trump was leading the investigation .