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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #230 on: October 04, 2019, 04:54:08 AM »
Because that's (obviously) not the way it was done at mail-order outfits that sold firearms.

Obviously.  ::)

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #230 on: October 04, 2019, 04:54:08 AM »

Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #231 on: October 04, 2019, 05:02:59 AM »
The proof that Oswald picked up the revolver, regardless of where he picked it up, is the undeniable fact that Mr. Oswald had Revolver V510210 in his hands when he was arrested in the Texas Theater on 11/22/63.
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That is absolutely deniable. Itís not even true. By all accounts the struggle for the gun happened before the (illegal) arrest.

But there isnít any evidence that V510210 was even there in the theater. Gerald Hill pulled a revolver with no documented chain of custody out of his pocket 2 hours later at the station, several cops initialed it then, and then it was submitted into evidence.
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Offline David Von Pein

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #232 on: October 04, 2019, 06:24:07 AM »
...there isnít any evidence that V510210 was even there in the theater.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #232 on: October 04, 2019, 06:24:07 AM »

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #233 on: October 04, 2019, 07:05:40 AM »
There is. CTers, of course, will forever ignore it, but there is evidence that the COD balance of $19.95 was paid to Seaport. It's in Heinz Michaelis' WC testimony [7 H 378-379]....

JOE BALL -- "Is there anything in your files which shows that the Railway Express did remit to you the $19.95?"

HEINZ MICHAELIS -- "The fact that the exhibit number...was attached to the red copy of the invoice...indicates that the money was received."


Plus, the word "Paid" is written right on the Seaport invoice too (Michaelis Exhibit No. 2). But I guess CTers must think the word "PAID" means exactly the opposite and that Seaport never received the $19.95 balance at all, huh? ~shrug~



The word "paid" is written right there on the invoice.  Back in the old days a lot of businesses used to stamp the word "paid" on invoices and receipts.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #234 on: October 04, 2019, 07:53:14 AM »
That is absolutely deniable. Itís not even true. By all accounts the struggle for the gun happened before the (illegal) arrest.

But there isnít any evidence that V510210 was even there in the theater. Gerald Hill pulled a revolver with no documented chain of custody out of his pocket 2 hours later at the station, several cops initialed it then, and then it was submitted into evidence.

John,

Illegal arrest?

You just made that up.

--  MWT  ;)

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #234 on: October 04, 2019, 07:53:14 AM »

Offline Otto Beck

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #235 on: October 04, 2019, 09:56:38 AM »
Because that's (obviously) not the way it was done at mail-order outfits that sold firearms. The serial numbers are WRITTEN IN by hand once the company knows for sure which gun is going to actually be shipped to that particular customer. The exact same "Written In By Hand" serial number occurred on Waldman Exhibit No. 7 for Oswald's rifle too. The "C2766" isn't typed in; it's handwritten. It's just the way those type of transactions work. (Or do you think the "C2766" was written in by some plotter AFTER the assassination?)

Prove that the control number above the serial number was an actual Klein's control number, then you have a minute chance of keeping your fantasy alive.

Good luck!

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #236 on: October 04, 2019, 02:24:20 PM »
The word "paid" is written right there on the invoice.  Back in the old days a lot of businesses used to stamp the word "paid" on invoices and receipts.

IMO .....The word "paid" is referring to the excise tax......

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #237 on: October 04, 2019, 03:37:49 PM »
Illegal arrest?

They had no probable cause to even search him, much less to arrest him for murder.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #238 on: October 04, 2019, 06:34:40 PM »
That is absolutely deniable. Itís not even true. By all accounts the struggle for the gun happened before the (illegal) arrest.

But there isnít any evidence that V510210 was even there in the theater. Gerald Hill pulled a revolver with no documented chain of custody out of his pocket 2 hours later at the station, several cops initialed it then, and then it was submitted into evidence.

But there isnít any evidence that V510210 was even there in the theater.

V510210 ???   "V"??  On the evidence list..... The S&W revolver is identified by the serial # 510210....  There is no "V" preceding the number.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #239 on: October 04, 2019, 07:07:55 PM »
Let's not get too far off topic. I have already changed it enough to---LHO ordered the weapons?
Because that's (obviously) not the way it was done at mail-order outfits that sold firearms.
Proof that it's obvious? Also ...the serial # is incomplete. In addition --it is obvious [apparently] that bullets for the S&W must have been obtained in a grab bag from some gun shop. 
 I have gone through the DVP links and the links that he links and remain unconvinced that Oswald ordered/obtained the guns.
Even David Von Pein seemed confused as he amended his conclusions several times...
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"3. There is no evidence of a notification card telling LHO to do this [i.e., go to REA to pick up the gun]." 
And that's very likely due to the fact that Oswald didn't need to go to the Railway Express office to pick up the revolver. He picked it up right there at the post office.
 [EDIT: I have since changed my opinion on this point. See the Dale Myers' quote and article above.]
[ADDITIONAL EDIT: But also see THIS POST, which includes the Post Office regulations for the handling of C.O.D. mail, which seem to indicate that my original interpretation of Oswald picking up his revolver at the Dallas Post Office might not be incorrect after all.]
Plus: Even if Oswald was required to go to the REA office to get the gun, why on Earth would the slip of paper telling him to do so need to be retained by anybody? That type of paperwork would very likely get thrown away after Oswald picked up his merchandise.
That type of paperwork would very likely get thrown away after Oswald picked up his merchandise. A customer submits notification that they have a delivery and so the service employee tosses this  proof of pickup away? Just routine huh?
Did Oswald pick up the S&W at the railway office or the post office? It only matters that he picked it up somewhere because they say he did.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #239 on: October 04, 2019, 07:07:55 PM »

 

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