Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle

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Offline Zeon Wasinsky

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #133 on: January 21, 2018, 06:49:15 AM »
 if the MC rifle Oswald supposedly ordered, included a scope mounted on it by a professional gunsmith at Kleins, why, (if the same rifle that was found on the 6th floor)have a scope mount so poorly aligned that the only way  possible to get the scope in alignment was to unscrew the mount, insert a shim, to correct it?

It is difficult to believe Oswald was dumb enough to have:

A. Used a fake ID with A.Hidell, a name which he must have remembered was in some letters he had written,  while in the USSR. Why not make up a completely unrelated name instead?

B. Even if Oswald was dumb enough to use a fake name that linked himself thru some letters written, why not just open another P.O. box at a completely different office and have rifle sent to that office, and to that P.O.box. Instead Oswald uses his own P.O. box and lists A.Hidell as an alternate??

C. Why would Oswald even bother ordering a rifle at all, when he could have easily bought a rifle from gun store in a completely different state, even probably gotten one from Mexico, without any paper trail at all linking the rifle to himself?

D. After doing dumb A thru C, Oswald dumb enough to keep his fake Hidell ID on his person even after shooting both JFK and a police officer, and then droping his wallet with that ID at the Tippett scene?

Other things  a little odd:

1. no fingerprints on the order form (Oswald smart enough to wear gloves, but dumb enough write in his own handwriting?
2. ammo. Where the ammo come from? no one remembers selling a very particular and uncommon 6.5 mm MC ammo to a kind of peculiar acting guy, like Oswald??? The same Oswald that LOTS of other people seem to have remembered easily, after just a brief glimpse, at the restaurant, at an apartment, on a bus, in a cab, in a theater buying popcorn.. etc.

Offline John Anderson

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #134 on: January 21, 2018, 05:17:19 PM »
He also bought pistol ammo a holster and a sling.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #135 on: January 21, 2018, 05:58:31 PM »
No need to rely on the only person who witnessed the crime?

Prove those shells were found at the crime scene.  Or even the same ones found by the Davises.

Prove that revolver was taken from Oswald.

That's easy for you to say.

You can't demonstrate their provenance.  That's enough.

No need to rely on the only person who witnessed the crime?

Do you think Domingo Benavides didn't witness the murder?

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #136 on: January 22, 2018, 06:03:18 PM »
No need to rely on the only person who witnessed the crime?

Prove those shells were found at the crime scene.  Or even the same ones found by the Davises.

Prove that revolver was taken from Oswald.

That's easy for you to say.

You can't demonstrate their provenance.  That's enough.

Endless contrarian nonsense.  Prove the sky is blue if someone can dismiss any such evidence out of hand as the potential product of fakery and lies.  And then claim you haven't satisfied his idiotic, subjective standard of proof as though that matters.  Ridiculous.  You should be embarrassed to peddle that same song and dance over and over. 

Inspector Clouseau (aka John) explains the "facts" to us:



Offline Mike Orr

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #137 on: January 22, 2018, 10:49:31 PM »
LHO's prints were only found after the boys went to the morgue and put LHO's ink stained hands on the rifle . Nobody can put that rifle in LHO's hands and if they could , he couldn't hit anything with it. There was no proof that LHO ever picked up a rifle at the Post Office . It sounds like Trump was leading the investigation .

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #138 on: January 23, 2018, 01:15:03 PM »
I rarely speculate and when I do I make it clear that I am. I use the actual evidence found in the twenty-six volumes unlike you.


You "speculate " that Kleins sent a 36 inch long Carcano to Dallas .....By insisting that the rifle was a 36 inch long  Carcano carbine which has a stock length of 28 inches, you play right into the hands of those who insist that Lee had a disassembled carcano in the brown paper sack he carried that morning.

Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #139 on: January 23, 2018, 02:21:26 PM »
The postal money order is a non-starter, the "everything is faked," gallery, points out.
The archivist who claimed to have recovered the original in the Arlington, VA archive was
obviously in on the manufacturing and faking of that piece of evidence, along with Harry
Holmes on Saturday afternoon, into mid-evening.

Lance Payette is a gullible fool to assert that the file locator number he
identified on that money order was instrumental in any way in recovering that
evidence at the archive in Arlington via a computer search using that locator
number for its designed purpose. The file locator number is so much fake window
dressing on a manufactured fake financial instrument.

Are you following these points, so far?

Continuing to simply accept every element at face value, Oswald was the stupidest
perp who ever begged to self incriminate and be almost immediately be found out
and determined obviously guilty.

Nevermind the contradictions, the interest in and ability to acquire Russian language skills,
USMC air controller skills, pass through the Helsinki visa process and enter the Soviet Union
in record tying rapidity, talk his way into admission, residence, a job in a restricted military
sensitive occupation in a quasi closed Soviet city, date and marry the niece of an interior
ministry colonel, obtain permission to quickly exit with his technically trained (at the expense of the state)
new wife after rapidly obtaining permission from all potentially obstructive or delaying parties, to marry,
and then return to the Moscow embassy to recover his U.S. passport upon his impending exit
from the SU, despite having allegedly threatened in that same embassy to reveal classified U-2 related
details to the Soviets.

He stumbled through all of those steps without a misstep, even parlaying his initial faked suicide
attempt to his advantage.

He slipped back into the U.S. according to the official narrative, without so much as summoning
sufficient interest from CIA or ONI to expend the effort to debrief him.

Either by sheer luck or by anticipating how to game the tendency to fiercely protect sources and
methods, he slipped in and back out of Mexico City without producing enough presentable confirmation
of his actual presence in that city to even satisfy the WC investigators that he had definitely made that
trip.

But, after all of that, you know down to your 'nads that he did all of the stupid stuff you unceasingly
attribute to him....buying traceable weapons, establishing a photographic record strutting with those
weapons while sporting two conflicting commie publications, creating a ridiculously obvious fake
draft card and salting his paper trail with the fake name on that I.D., via a vaccination card and
an FPCC record, while concealing one of the most difficult components, purchase of the oddball ammo
for the dysfunctional rifle you ardently believe he was carrying around Dallas without vehicle transport.
shooting it at an army general and then at the president and the governor.

You act as if you are a victim of irrational abuse by irrational opponents who are not all "everything is
fake," CTs, but instead, thoughtful, curious individuals with open minds and keen sense of smell.

In the aggregate, the points (contradictions) I described above are as unlikely as the trajectory of
the magic bullet and the coincidental disappearance of all electronic recording and direct paper record
of the friday afternoon comments of Drs. Perry and Kemp, until 1976, and much longer in the example
of their press conference copy stamped 11/26/63, identified by the ARRB more than 25 years later
as being in the paper workflow of SS chief Rowley, even as he was maintaining norecord whatsoever of
the 11/22 opinions of Kemp or Perry could be located in 1964!

Your incurious certainty is your most obvious liability in your effort to convince any reasonable person
that there is definitely and obviously nothing to wonder about a mad dog lone nut with a scrambled egg
for a brain, in his careless, sloppy pursuit of eternal infamy!
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