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Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2018, 01:35:46 PM »
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I am unable to place confidence in any indicated PaulineSandersImage seen in DarnellFilm, as it appears to me said PersonImage seems to appear in some versions of DFilm, but not in others, even allowing for different frame viewing. Certainly, testimony/statements place her on the landing at 12:30pm CST, but that does not mean she is seen, regardless of any virtual portal image placement.
The EdselEvidenceDodge&DenialMethod continues, and to expect that to change is wishful thinking. And, those that promote the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory appear glued to said theory, so accurate evidence continues to be denied.

For clarification, a repeat of my complete post, that, and again, as it appears as though MrBarryPollard failed to quote the complete statement, which is fine when properly done, but he also failed to properly quote a sentence by leaving out quite pertinent wording creating an alternate indicative meaning. Failing to indicate who was being discussed, PaulineSandersImage, and the leaving off the word "seen" in the sentence alters the statement context.  his version quote in bold:

"...testimony/statements place her on the landing at 12:30pm CST, but that does not mean she is..." (seen)!
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Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2018, 01:35:46 PM »

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Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2018, 09:55:28 PM »
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When viewing the ZFilmStill, as far as I understand, the JeanNewmanImage is correctly identified, with Ernest BrandtImage to her left, and JohnTemplinImage to his left, and it is my conclusion, continuing right to left, is GloriaCalveryImage, CarolReedImage, KaranHicksImage, and KarenWestbrookImage.

When viewing ZFilmFrame133, it appears to show KaranHicksImage with a to her right head turn, exposing a portion of her dark hair above her forehead.
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And, when viewing DarnellFilm, it appears to show GloriaClavery entering the stairway with KaranHicksImage to her right, and right behind another LadyImage wearing a headscarf, possibly KarenWestbrookImage, with GCI possibly looking to her left towards approaching RunningWomanImage, who is possibly CarolReed.

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« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2018, 05:55:11 PM »
It would make sense that if Karen Westbrook's identifications of those employees is wrong that your interpretation might have some merit...The only reason I am using "Burney" to identify Running Woman is because she is labeled that in the Newsweek Zapruder image you posted...

The opposition is ignoring Frazier's identification of Calvery because it destroys their Oswald as Prayer Man claim...They are not to be taken seriously...

Once you realize Running Woman is the person Roberdeau labeled "Burney" then you understand she followed Calvery and Thornton to the steps because she was standing next to them in the spectators...Calvery ran almost instantly after the head shot because of the shock of the horrible carnage she witnessed...Fight or flight adrenalin...

Sandy Larsen could come over here to argue this but he won't because he knows what the truth is and doesn't want to answer it...Instead the community allows an innocent person to be brutally banned and censored while it pretends it still has a speck of credibility...It is just a credibility-less insiders club who ban those who out-argue them and then collectively ignore it...Jim D looks particularly funny parading naked with his portly dimensions...
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Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2018, 07:50:06 PM »
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Just a guess at this point, and unless otherwise identified, possibly the two LadyImages seen on ZFilm133 standing along Elm St between JeanNewmanImage and StellaJacobImage, represent BettyThornton and JaneBerry
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A possibly additional notable observance when viewing ZFilm, is the almost invisible and not very tall LadyImage, aka Blue CoatLadyImage, standing mostly unseen slightly in front and just to KarenWestbrookImage's left. Said LadyImage is also wearing a head scarf, and can be seen on ZFilm Frame125, a few other early filmed frames as well.
For reference, said BlueCoatLadyImage appears to be seen in an un-cropped Altgens6 Photograph on the viewer's left side.

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Additional Image information is now available, thanks to an update, placing an easily identifiable Blue CoatLadyImage on the Elm St sidewalk. And, as viewed on the reverse angle ZapruderFilm frame, is next to, according to additional indicated positioning, Karen WestbrookImage to viewer's left, although KarenWestbrookImage is not visible on Altgens6.
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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2018, 08:13:42 PM »

Sandy Larsen wrote:

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I have personally proved that a number of things were faked or lied about by the WC. For example, I proved that Officer Baker wasn't headed for the TSBD entrance at all when he crossed Elm Street extension. I (and Thomas Graves) proved that Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady lied when they said that they waited three or four minutes for Gloria Calvery to arrive at the front steps (she arrived there within twenty seconds) and that this (and other things) calls into question their crucial testimony about entering the west TSBD door after the shooting.

Larsen finally publicly commits to his identification of Calvery at the steps in Couch/Darnell..."Twenty seconds" after the shots is the exact time period seen in Couch/Darnell...This means Larsen has publicly committed to Calvery being on the steps with Thornton in Couch/Darnell which in turn proves the timing of Frazier turning and talking to "Sarah" as per his 2013 interviews...

No one speaks up and asks Larsen how this public commitment affects his belief that Prayer Man is Oswald...Or how it relates to Frazier's locating of Stanton via Calvery...

(By the way, Larsen is wrong about Baker...Baker went right in to the Depository after being seen in Couch/Darnell...)

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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2018, 08:13:42 PM »

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Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2018, 06:11:13 PM »
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For me, it is applied SimplePuzzlePieceMultiplicationFactor, as when one puzzle piece is misplaced, said misplacement multiplies.
GloriaCalvery, CarolReed, KaranHicks, and KarenWestbrook gave signed statements indicating that the four of them were together on Elm St, between Houston St and the TripleUnderpass, while viewing the passing motorcade.
When I view the filmed LadyImages on ZapruderFilm, adding statements/testimony, I have to conclude that the evidence indicates to me that what is seen on DarnellFilm, is GloriaCalveryImage, and KaranHicksImage, following KarenWestbrookImage up the PortalStairs, with CarolReedImage, aka RunningWomanImage, approaching from Old Elm St.

My recent posts, #48 and #49 may offer some valuable insight.
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Just a guess at this point, and unless otherwise identified, possibly the two LadyImages seen on ZFilm133 standing along Elm St between JeanNewmanImage and StellaJacobImage, represent BettyThornton and JaneBerry
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I do apologize for re-quoting, but at this point I do maintain my stated conclusions regarding the correct positive identity of the mentioned LadyImages as seen in ZFilm and DFilm.

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Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2018, 04:38:57 PM »
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It would make sense that if Karen Westbrook's identifications of those employees is wrong that your interpretation might have some merit...The only reason I am using "Burney" to identify Running Woman is because she is labeled that in the Newsweek Zapruder image you posted...

The opposition is ignoring Frazier's identification of Calvery because it destroys their Oswald as Prayer Man claim...They are not to be taken seriously...

Once you realize Running Woman is the person Roberdeau labeled "Burney" then you understand she followed Calvery and Thornton to the steps because she was standing next to them in the spectators...Calvery ran almost instantly after the head shot because of the shock of the horrible carnage she witnessed...Fight or flight adrenalin...

Sandy Larsen could come over here to argue this but he won't because he knows what the truth is and doesn't want to answer it...Instead the community allows an innocent person to be brutally banned and censored while it pretends it still has a speck of credibility...It is just a credibility-less insiders club who ban those who out-argue them and then collectively ignore it...Jim D looks particularly funny parading naked with his portly dimensions...

The ZapruderFilm frame/frames that I posted, and I'll take your word for it that they were reproduced by Newsweek, instead of weak news, I also included a ReplyComment indicating my well studied developed conclusion regarding the correct identity of said LadyImages as seen on ZFilm, as well as on DarnellFilm at and/or near the entrance stairs..
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It appears to me that KarenWestbrookImage, KaranHicksImage, and GloriaCalveryImage, basically immediately left their motorcade viewing location after realization of what was happening, and ran to the Elm St entrance. And, possibly CarolReedImage hesitated a few seconds, and thus appears to be aka RunningWomanImage.
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2018, 04:38:57 PM »

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Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2018, 08:10:45 PM »
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Also, when viewing ZFilmFrame133, it is my conclusion that standing near the StemmonsFreeway sign while viewing the PresidentialMotorcade, right to left is the often mis-identified SharonSimmonsNelsonImage, the often mis-identified GloriaJeanneHoltImage, and the often mis-identified StellaMaeJacobImage.
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When viewing an uncropped, or lessor cropped Z133, possibly Newsweek reproduced, StellaJacobImage is id'd as GloriaCalvery, GloriaHoltImage id'd as KaranHicks, SharonSimmons/NelsonImage id'd as Carol Reed, and the 2nd space east of StellaJacobImage, a LadyImage is id'd as KarenWestbrook, and the LadyImage in between is id'd as JuneDishong.

Again, GloriaCalvery, CarolReed, KaranHicks, and KarenWestbrook gave statements to the FBI, that each was accompanied by the other three, while viewing the passing motorcade on Elm St between Houston St and the TripleUnderpass, when the shooting occurred.

I am not sure as to which LadyImage is/was referred to as TallWoman in Betzner3 Photograph. When I view Betzner3, I believe I see CarolReedImage and KaranHicksImage blocked from view by the head of the high sitting SecretServiceAgentImage riding in QueenMary Limousine, with GloriaCalveryImage to viewers left of SSAI, and KarenWestbrookImage to viewers right of said SSAI.
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Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2018, 08:10:45 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2018, 04:57:41 PM »
Karen Westbrook's 6th Floor Museum interview has really screwed us up because she mislabels the people badly...Westbrook might even be calling Simmons herself - which is pretty bad and shows that Westbrook has real issues as far as being a credible witness...

Chris Calvery led me to Betzner 3...Only he called it "Butler" from a wrong memory...My Smartphone has screen enlargement capacity by touch screen function...I brought up Betzner 3 on my Smartphone and enlarged Tall Woman in it and sure enough there's no doubt it is Gloria Calvery...Some of Gloria's friends that were with her are blocked by the Secret Service man in the follow-up car...

Tall Woman is 100% with certainty Calvery and therefore she is about 120 feet from the steps...120 feet is easily do-able in 20 seconds by a shocked woman on an adrenalin rush who just saw horrible carnage...The scale on Google is no good and isn't accurate...You have to use the Dealey Plaza blueprint maps for accurate scale...
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Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2018, 01:13:52 AM »
I have to conclude that KarenWestbrook truly believes what she indicated, and possibly relied on the LadyImage identifications as seen that were alluded to be supplied by Roberdeaux, and/or Newsweek, and said reliance may have caused a memory adjustment. Fairly common IMO, unless well studied for correct confirmation. But, said mis-identifications multiply as they are repeatedly repeated.

Based on memory from visiting DealeyPlaza, I see no need to dispute the stated 120' measurement from GloriaCalveryImage's place on the sidewalk on the north side of Elm St viewing the motorcade, to the TexasSchoolBookDepository Building Elm St entrance stairway. And, I believe 20 seconds travel time equals about 4.1 mph. So, probably could have walked there in about 30 seconds.
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