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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2000 on: July 15, 2018, 06:02:12 PM »
Looks like the door's being open inwards to me Alan and if F and S are as close to the door as you think, that would be the polite thing to do, I'm assuming it opened both ways anyway. I think you're right though, door starts from closed position and thaose shadows looks legit.

Do you think Fraziers pos' on the landing makes a difference?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2001 on: July 15, 2018, 06:19:06 PM »
Looks like the door's being open inwards to me Alan and if F and S are as close to the door as you think, that would be the polite thing to do, I'm assuming it opened both ways anyway. I think you're right though, door starts from closed position and thaose shadows looks legit.

Do you think Fraziers pos' on the landing makes a difference?

Barry, what these two reflections---------



-----------suggest to me is that Frazier is nearer the door than A.N.Other. However, as the door handle is on its east side, it's possible for someone inside to open the door by pushing it a little forward without the door hitting A.N.Other (i.e. the person coming out can slip out without opening the door fully).

However! The very next frame, and the way Frazier's reflection seems to move a little east----------



-----------suggests that you may be right about the door being opened inwards!  Thumb1:


Frazier's being further back on the landing may be irrelevant to the Prayer Man issue, then again maybe not
-----------relative height calculations can be thrown off by this kind of thing!

BTW------------do you think A.N.Other is Sarah Stanton?
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2002 on: July 15, 2018, 06:30:28 PM »
Compare relative height of motorcycle cop's reflected head and his actual head, here------



--------with relative height of Frazier's reflected head and HIS actual head, here:



I'm not at all sure Frazier is as far forward on the landing as Andrej puts him!


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2003 on: July 15, 2018, 07:22:58 PM »
Compare relative height of motorcycle cop's reflected head and his actual head, here------



--------with relative height of Frazier's reflected head and HIS actual head, here:



I'm not at all sure Frazier is as far forward on the landing as Andrej puts him!



It never fails - every single time I see Stancak's cartoon model with that leg down on the second step, I get a big kick out of it.  Figuratively speaking. That's his way of justifying how the 5-9 LHO appear much shorter up there. Hilarious!

And yet, if it's a *woman* up there - much shorter and there to see the president go by - why in the world would she be standing with one leg down, knowing she's short and would want both legs up there to peer over everyone else.

It's hilarious while also being fxxxing goofy too.


Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2004 on: July 15, 2018, 07:29:33 PM »
Ahh, no reason for me to think it can only be Stanton Alan, It's just for my convenience really and in part, a reaction of sorts. An antidote or crucifix.

You look to be right with Frazier, the shadow he casts on the door and the lintel's own from above, both suggest he's further back,
"Stanton" or w/e always looked to be behind or beside him, clearly wrong now.
IMO that door cannot overhang the landing, for safety/architectural reasons, we can see that officer is at the end of it and the shadow more or less matches that on BWF.
Seems obvious now after what you posted that either Frasier was further back than that cop or he was slightly taller.

Frazier's shadow does indeed move east on the door, I see it now too ty but... let's wait for Brian "what reflections?" comfirmation.
On that side, no matter which way the door opens he was pretty safe and I agree, it now look's like he's right up next to it.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2005 on: July 15, 2018, 07:32:42 PM »
This simulation shows how the reflections change in Darnell with the door opening inwards. No such reflections are seen with the door opening outwards (toward the camera).  Also, the reflection is shown for PP advancing back near the corner towards the edge of the landing. Both Frazier and the man to his left are  near the front edge of the landing.



Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2006 on: July 15, 2018, 07:43:51 PM »
Are you trying to hypnotise us with that door James?
Must... resist. must resisssssst!

Very nice.

Btw I'm a lemon popsicle.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2007 on: July 15, 2018, 07:52:09 PM »
Ah, it's working LOL  :D

Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2008 on: July 15, 2018, 08:03:37 PM »
It never fails - every single time I see Stancak's cartoon model with that leg down on the second step, I get a big kick out of it.  Figuratively speaking. That's his way of justifying how the 5-9 LHO appear much shorter up there. Hilarious!

And yet, if it's a *woman* up there - much shorter and there to see the president go by - why in the world would she be standing with one leg down, knowing she's short and would want both legs up there to peer over everyone else.

It's hilarious while also being fxxxing goofy too.
Maybe Michael, another "LeeHarveyOswaldTrialMovie" can be made, and maybe LHO's defense can be based on the cartoon model, uhh, I mean virtual entrance portal, with the added cartoon characters, uhh, uhh, I mean inserted mannequins.
Don'tcha see Michael?

Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2009 on: July 15, 2018, 08:31:47 PM »
Michael,
your focusing on the wrong leg I think.
Everyone else get's a kick from the leg that's up and it's awkward stance of course, the one on the step is fine.
One step down was one step closer to Jackie, that's not a problem at least not in a model.


Btw for others, Frazier never noticed Jackie was turned the other way when she came around that corner, he never mentioned it, how could he forget that?
"It was just like in the photographs" he said, meaning the ones in the magazines, obviously the ones where he was looking at the back/side of Jackie's head.

That turn onto Elm is unforgettable for me for one reason, Jackie noticed the young girl with the video camera, thought it unusual and/or cool and took it all in.

BWF: "I turned to Sarah and said, "the side of Jackie's head looked so pretty"".

 

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