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Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4870 on: August 13, 2019, 10:42:03 PM »

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Despite constant denial, indicative evidentiary information has been posted, including on this thread, that indicates that PrayerPersonImage represents a female then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository Building. And, based on witness accounts, as well as related events, the most likely person represented by PPI is SarahDeanStanton (1922-1992). I do not rely on any appraisal of "horribly blurry photographs", that are actually from a MotionPictureCamera, hand held by a CameraMan some distance away, riding in/on the seat of a moving Motorcade ConvertibleVehicle as said Vehicle drove past the TSBD Bldg Elm St EntrancePortal following about six (+/-) other Vehicles behind the LincolnConvertibleLimousine carrying President JohnFitzgeraldKennedySr (1917-1963), accompanied by Firstlady JacquelineBouvierKennedy (1929-1994), and Governor JohnBowdenConnallyJr (1917-1993), accompanied by FirstLady IdanellBrillConnally (1919-2006), that was being driven by SSA WilliamRobertGreer (1909-1985), assisted by SSA RoyHermanKellerman (1915-1984).

As I recall, The PrayerPersonImage IdentificationDispute became an issue after a claim, some 50 years, half a century, after the Assassination Of JFKSr, that PPI represented LeeHarveyOswald. My response was, and still is, How can it be possible for the most famous Accused LoneGunmanAssassin ever to have been standing outside the front door on the FirstFloor EntranceLanding, among numerous witnesses that knew who he was, instead of on the sixth floor firing shots at the Motorcade, and yet was unnoticed for the 50 years?

Therefor, in seeking the proper identification of PPI, and doing some research along with study of research by others, utilizing process of elimination of possibilities, it is my drawn conclusion, based on available indicative evidentiary information, that the most likely person represented by PPI is SarahDeanStanton. Not standing in the PPI location during the shooting and/or filming of the Portal area itself does not place LHO on the sixth floor as a LGA, and the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter indicates a timing problem issue for him being a LGA, on the sixth floor or anywhere else, IMO.


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Where?  What is the evidence?

What witness accounts?  What related events?  Certainly not the fallacious crap that Doyle made up.

Not any more likely than anybody else.

The missing indicative evidentiary information is that which factually indicates that PrayerPersonImage represents someone other than SarahStanton.

Witness accounts have been repeatedly provided. Related events include GloriaCalvery arriving at the stairs and announcing what she had witnessed, and DPD Officer MarrionBaker, accompanied by RoyTruly, entering the TSBD via the Elm St 1st floor entrance within seconds, as well as BuellFrazier having a conversation with SarahStanton on the landing just after the shooting, and/or the announcement by GloriaCalvery.

"Not any more likely than anybody else"? So, it could have been anybody else? ???

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As previously posted:

"Notably, research has now developed evidence indicative of SarahStanton as being the person represented by PrayerPersonImage aka PrayerWomanImage."

Research(noun):diligent and systematic inquiry into a subject in order to discover or revise facts, theories, etc.
Evidence(noun):the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Indicating(verb):to be a sign of;betoken;evidence;show:
Indicative(adjective):serving as a sign or indication of something.

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As noted, a partial rendering of research developed indicative evidence that indicates SarahStanton is the person represented by PrayerPersonImage aka PrayerWomanImage.
And, as previously denied.  >:(
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4870 on: August 13, 2019, 10:42:03 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4871 on: August 13, 2019, 11:04:33 PM »
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The missing indicative evidentiary information is that which factually indicates that PrayerPersonImage represents someone other than SarahStanton.

Witness accounts have been repeatedly provided. Related events include GloriaCalvery arriving at the stairs and announcing what she had witnessed, and DPD Officer MarrionBaker, accompanied by RoyTruly, entering the TSBD via the Elm St 1st floor entrance within seconds, as well as BuellFrazier having a conversation with SarahStanton on the landing just after the shooting, and/or the announcement by GloriaCalvery.

So, you are relying on Brian Doyle's made-up crap.  I thought so.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4872 on: August 14, 2019, 02:58:20 AM »
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So, you are relying on Brian Doyle's made-up crap.  I thought so.

Some points to ponder, and two coincidences.:

 This simply has to be merely coincidental...right? Right?

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....In Scotland, April Fools' Day was traditionally called 'Huntigowk Day',[12] although this name has fallen into disuse.[citation needed] The name is a corruption of 'Hunt the Gowk', "gowk" being Scots for a cuckoo or a foolish person; alternative terms in Gaelic would be Là na Gocaireachd, 'gowking day', or Là Ruith na Cuthaige, 'the day of running the cuckoo'. The traditional prank is to ask someone to deliver a sealed message that supposedly requests help of some sort. In fact, the message reads "Dinna laugh, dinna smile. Hunt the gowk another mile." The recipient, upon reading it, will explain he can only help if he first contacts another person, and sends the victim to this next person with an identical message, with the same result.[12]
In England a "fool" is known by different names around the country, including a "noodle", "gob", "gobby" or "noddy".[15]....

Did Sarah Stanton's younger son guard Ralph Yates?

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Larry Dean Daniel, the son of Al Daniel [aka: Mitchell L. Daniel] and the late Sarah Dean Daniel [her 2nd marriage was to a "Stanton"], was born in Grand Prairie, Texas, on October 7, 1942, and was a resident of the Cedarvale Community in Kaufman County at the time of his death. He was employed eight years as a security guard at Terrell State Hospital and also worked in construction. ….

Sarah Dean, age eighteen and (as much as) six months pregnant on her wedding day, married "Al" Daniel in Oklahoma just after Christmas, 1940.:

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« Reply #4872 on: August 14, 2019, 02:58:20 AM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4873 on: August 14, 2019, 06:19:39 AM »
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Peter,

Nah, like you, Brian believes the evil, evil XXX killed JFK.

LOL

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Wrong, Brian just believes something that doesn't matter, where everything you talk about is just a permanent daydream your in. At least with LSD, you would have had an excuse but unlike Frank, they wouldn't have to sneak it into your drink. This is because you would have wanted to be a part of any CIA experiment that involves escaping from reality. If you think Jerry Garcia is still alive you were apart of the experiment. Good stuff

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4874 on: August 14, 2019, 02:11:36 PM »
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Wrong, Brian just believes something that doesn't matter, where everything you talk about is just a permanent daydream your in. At least with LSD, you would have had an excuse but unlike Frank, they wouldn't have to sneak it into your drink. This is because you would have wanted to be a part of any CIA experiment that involves escaping from reality. If you think Jerry Garcia is still alive you were apart of the experiment. Good stuff

Dear Peter,

Thanks for all the kind words.

*whereas

** you're

Do you think Jerry lives, Peter?

How about Elvis?

Kurt Cobain?

Question:  What is the nature of the "permanent daydream" that I'm in?

Having the audacity to disbelieve that the KGB and GRU were (and still are, although the KGB's Second Chief Directorate and First Chief Directorate -- where Vladimir Putin was a counterintelligence officer --- were nicely and cleverly renamed the FSB and the SVR, respectively, in 1992 or so) ... humanitarian organizations?

-- MWT  ;)


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4874 on: August 14, 2019, 02:11:36 PM »

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« Reply #4875 on: August 14, 2019, 04:42:16 PM »
Greg Parker wrote:

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Poor lil Bri Bri. Let's give your actual quote " Kamp ignores the fact FBI Turner found extensive gunpowder nitrate residue on the cheek casts of 7 out of 7 FBI volunteers who fired a Carcano."

Turner found no such thing. He found barium and antimony because those are the elements NAA is used to find - not nitrates as you claimed.

And you made that claim because you, like others, confuse the paraffin test and what it tests for with NAA and what it tests for.

At least you were given a chance here. I am barred from your lost outpost without ever having posted there.

As far as I know Turner was an FBI agent who saw Cunningham and the FBI were not investigating the C2766 rifle honestly or with sincere intent...So what he did was he went and got a Carcano rifle and then got 7 FBI volunteers to test fire it...He then tested them for gunpowder residue on their cheeks and they all came up with heavy deposits of Nitrates on their cheeks after firing a Carcano...This in turn proved that the FBI and Warren Commission were lying when they claimed it is perfectly natural for there to be no residue on a rifle fire-er's cheek after firing a rifle due to the tightness of the chamber around the bullet...Kamp repeated that lie in his latest paper and therefore backed wrong information from the Commission that was used to frame Oswald...

Because we exist in a dysfunctional research community I cannot go to the other forum and post on this to get more references...The JFK research community is a cliquish, un-academic, hostile enterprise where personal spite comes before objective research and consists of persons who seek to undermine your honest efforts towards truth rather than uphold them according to the phony standard they pretend to espouse but actually practice the opposite of so the favored members can seize more internet space rather than work collectively towards the truth...Prove these people wrong on Prayer Man and they seek to destroy you...These are not credible researchers...They are internet egos seeking total domination...

Greg is lying here as is classic of his troll site...Even though he has been told repeatedly that Guinn's Neutron Activation Analysis (NAA) tests are a completely different thing than Turner's test firing's he continues to conflate the two because he's dishonestly seeking to avoid the evidence...He makes the idiotic bungle of not recognizing that Guinn tested Oswald's Dallas Police paraffin cheek cast and that Turner made independent tests on FBI volunteers and that these two things are completely different and separate entities...Parker fails to give any basic competent recognition or response to the fact Turner's tests proved that Kamp's backing of the FBI and their lies was a betrayal of the correct evidence and that Kamp was working directly on the Lone Nutter side and using their false references...Trying to get a truthful answer out of Parker and his troll site is like trying to squeeze blood from a stone and good luck to anyone who deals with that whirlpool of dishonest dementia known as Parker's site...That site, of course, gets full approval and reference from Jim DiEugenio (who doesn't post there himself)...

As far as I know FBI had a problem with Turner's results and still wanting to get his pension Turner probably allowed his data to be absorbed in to Guinn's investigation where it was promptly lost and buried forever...FBI obstructs and disappears evidence that exposes its criminal lies...Anyone can see Parker is up against the ropes and playing dumb here...Parker is clearly lying in a silly, childish way to get out of what he now understands from my posts...Him and his website go right to the dirty tricks of FBI and use them to cover-up their own avoidance of correct evidence...I'm wondering if Parker is a Sunstein entity?...

As far as the Prayer Man issue, the fixed playing field on the JFK internet allows anyone to enter any kind of erroneous way out in left field claim with no challenge...Completely incorrect information is OK and there is no person that will point it out to the offerer...And as soon as I shoot it down with correct facts it gets ignored and no one admits I am correct...This is a very rotten community...

Greg is an idiot and he is failing to answer that Guinn's NAA test found such minute traces of Barium & Antimony that they were equal to a virgin negative result and when Guinn tested the actual plaster material of the cheek cast itself he found that the cast materials actually contained more Barium & Antimony than the interface between Oswald's cheek and the cast...This unaccountable negative result is why the FBI liars Kamp quotes and endorses lied and said rifles don't leak gunpowder emissions...I have explained this several times to Greg but it seems he has a moronic inability to comprehend and coherently respond to it...Greg is lying above and he is deliberately mixing Turner's testing with Guinn's - which are two distinctly separate things...



 
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4876 on: August 14, 2019, 04:57:57 PM »
So says the guy with the giant ego and 429 falsehoods and fabrications.

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« Reply #4877 on: August 14, 2019, 07:27:14 PM »

Jim DiEugenio from 'The Kennedy Assassination':

" Former FBI agent Bill Turner did not buy FBI agent Cortland Cunningham's testimony about no residue escaping onto the gunman's face. Writing for the magazine American Jurisprudence, Turner conducted his own test with Vincent Guinn (who, as we have seen, Bugliosi trusts in other matters). Turner and Guinn found that the weapon discharged nitrates in abundance. "

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Turner found no such thing. He found barium and antimony because those are the elements NAA is used to find - not nitrates as you claimed

Wrong Greg, as per DiEugenio above...Your reckless trolling defense of Kamp has blown up on you big time here...Having no character or credibility I suppose you won't admit it...

As I said and proved above...Kamp wrongfully quoted FBI's lies that were used to frame Oswald in his latest Oswald Interrogations paper...

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« Reply #4877 on: August 14, 2019, 07:27:14 PM »

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« Reply #4878 on: August 14, 2019, 07:30:42 PM »
Great, another thing Doyle doesn't understand but pontificates about anyway.  "Residue" is not the same thing as "nitrates".

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« Reply #4879 on: August 14, 2019, 07:32:55 PM »
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Great, another thing Doyle doesn't understand but pontificates about anyway.  "Residue" is not the same thing as "nitrates".

DiEugenio:

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" Turner and Guinn found that the weapon discharged nitrates in abundance. "

(D'oh)

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« Reply #4879 on: August 14, 2019, 07:32:55 PM »

 

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