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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4380 on: May 16, 2019, 08:18:04 AM »
There is another frame that provides an alternative take on the Weigman PM and it's a careful and focused enhancement.  Unlike the freak that came about by complete accident.  One big clue for the layman is the big "forehead" coming out of PM's skull in the frame you like, it's actually longer than Herman Munster's(no joke, it really is).

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« Reply #4381 on: May 16, 2019, 01:04:38 PM »
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The technique was the same for both frames but we have two very different looking faces/heads, so will you at least recognise "the other woman" to begin with Brian?  Perhaps someone can isolate "her from the gif for us(or I could try later)? 

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« Reply #4382 on: May 16, 2019, 02:04:25 PM »
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There is another frame that provides an alternative take on the Weigman PM and it's a careful and focused enhancement.  Unlike the freak that came about by complete accident.  One big clue for the layman is the big "forehead" coming out of PM's skull in the frame you like, it's actually longer than Herman Munster's(no joke, it really is).


What you are saying isn't accurate...The frame with the woman's face is the best frame because you can see everything else in the image also becomes clearer and sharper...The reason for that is because the camera technology of the day would take a clear frame when the camera was steady...The frame Davidson used for his enhancement was such a clear, sharp frame and because of that Sarah's face emerged in it...Both you and Davidson have failed to answer this...And Davidson has an annoying habit of disappearing when you ask him to respond to these kind of facts that serve to make progress on the subject...

I think the elongated forehead is actually the forehead of somebody who shifted behind Sarah in Wiegman...It could possibly be Shelley's forehead as he tracks in order to progress down the stairs...

Barry, since you are showing a lack of credible response to the facts I am not going to answer further such replies...You have to explain on a technical basis what the clear face of a woman in the above frame is and you just can't say "freak accident"...It doesn't work that way at the technical level we are dealing at and you can't just say "freak accident" without explaining what exactly caused the obvious clear image of a woman's face to be on Prayer Man in that frame exactly where a woman's face should be...Any photo analysis expert who looked at the image would tell you it was a real face that was part of the original Wiegman celluloid...That face is Sarah's Stanton's and the forehead of Shelley behind it can't be used as an excuse to dismiss it...

So far Davidson has not returned to answer for this...

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« Reply #4383 on: May 16, 2019, 02:47:00 PM »
Over on the other forum where bad research is preferred over good and forced by censorship, Sandy Larsen has chimed-in and approved of Stancak's latest pseudo-analysis garbage...Sandy starts by saying Stancak has made a good discovery in his showing of someone who is behind Shelley in Darnell...First off, Shelley is not in Darnell...Larsen doesn't notice that he himself in that same post says Shelley left the steps immediately after the shots...Darnell is 25-30 seconds after the shots so Shelley cannot be in Darnell like Larsen says in that post...This is a clumsy, goofy fatal conflict that shows a serious lack of analysis competency but it goes unchallenged on the other forum because it backs the consensus of the insiders who believe Prayer Man is Oswald no matter how much evidence works against it...Fatal, silly conflicts like this are perfectly fine and preferred on that forum as long as they back the favorites...Persons like myself who are capable of competently detecting those conflicts and giving proper interpretation to them are quickly hustled off the board with false rules violation charges...Right there in that post Sandy is both saying Shelley left the steps immediately after the last shot and was also on the top step in the same place he was in Altgens with none of the other forum's members pointing it out...And this is how the goofy Prayer Man legend was born...The person behind the men on the landing in Darnell is Pauline Sanders not Sarah Stanton...Stancak knows this but he isn't afraid to waste people's time with juvenile attempts to bend the evidence towards Prayer Man being Oswald...

Larsen also shows notable incompetency by failing to realize the person Shelley said he encountered by the concrete island was Karan Hicks and not Gloria Calvery...Both Stancak and Larsen are contemptibly ignoring the film evidence that shows Gloria Calvery is climbing the steps in Darnell and is therefore proving the timing that shows Shelley spoke to Calvery at the steps before going up the extension...The white blouse and black skirt Karan Hicks is wearing can be seen on the woman Shelley pulls up and speaks to as she runs by the concrete island so we know that is Hicks and not Calvery...Stancak and Larsen, under the protection of a censoring moderator, ignore the years of posting this correct information that Graves and I have been doing and choose to go with a version that anyone can see is wrong by simply looking at the film evidence in question...And they do so with the full silent cooperation of the membership of that other board...One look at where Calvery is on the steps in Darnell vs the progress of Lovelady & Shelley up the extension shows that Shelley had to confront Calvery on the steps just like Lovelady and Frazier said...For Larsen to ignore this shows a disqualifying level of poor analysis...

The Darnell film does not show Shelley going to the concrete island and turning around...I admire John Armstrong and his work but he was stubborn on this point in our phone conversation...Lovelady and Shelley went up to the west side of the building after Darnell and went in through the side entrance...This is contained in that first day affidavit, but only it is written in condensed form...If you pay attention to that affidavit, Shelley is saying they went to the west side of the building and went back inside, only he is shortening it because it didn't mean much in that first day affidavit before the conspirators made him alter his witnessing...The JFK research community is currently suffering from poorly disciplined researchers who don't have the personal discipline to restrain their need to force their pet theories over the real evidence...Lovelady & Shelley went up to the west side of the building and went back in that way...

Calvery is NOT talking to Lovelady on the steps because Larsen himself proved that Lovelady was going up the extension in that same shot by matching the plaid bars on his shirt...It is incredibly dishonest for Larsen not to admit this and is also seriously dubious for the other membership to let him get away with it when they saw the same post where Larsen proved this a few years ago...The person Larsen is calling Lovelady on the steps is actually Molina and this is a prime example of the damage unchecked researchers who want to push their pet theories at the expense of good research can do...

Go to Stancak's latest pseudo analysis and you will see he has posted garbage whose very calibrations make Frazier's head only 6 inches in length instead of the scientifically necessary 8 inches...He's done that because any correct application of his otherwise very accurate measurements would prove our case and show Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...Stancak literally cheated in broad daylight and not only did no one notice, but he got the full praising approval of Sandy Larsen...Stancak did that because he needs to force Prayer Man to be 5 foot 2 and on the step...Two things that I have already proven are not possible but Stancak ignores with the aid of bully censorship...

These persons only post on sites where we are unfairly banned in order to avoid what they know they can't honestly answer...

This post is crushingly correct and presents the correct evidence...

It will be ignored and the facts in it will not be answered...




 
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4384 on: May 16, 2019, 05:02:06 PM »
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What you are saying isn't accurate...The frame with the woman's face is the best frame because you can see everything else in the image also becomes clearer and sharper...The reason for that is because the camera technology of the day would take a clear frame when the camera was steady...The frame Davidson used for his enhancement was such a clear, sharp frame and because of that Sarah's face emerged in it...Both you and Davidson have failed to answer this...And Davidson has an annoying habit of disappearing when you ask him to respond to these kind of facts that serve to make progress on the subject...

I think the elongated forehead is actually the forehead of somebody who shifted behind Sarah in Wiegman...It could possibly be Shelley's forehead as he tracks in order to progress down the stairs...

Barry, since you are showing a lack of credible response to the facts I am not going to answer further such replies...You have to explain on a technical basis what the clear face of a woman in the above frame is and you just can't say "freak accident"...It doesn't work that way at the technical level we are dealing at and you can't just say "freak accident" without explaining what exactly caused the obvious clear image of a woman's face to be on Prayer Man in that frame exactly where a woman's face should be...Any photo analysis expert who looked at the image would tell you it was a real face that was part of the original Wiegman celluloid...That face is Sarah's Stanton's and the forehead of Shelley behind it can't be used as an excuse to dismiss it...

So far Davidson has not returned to answer for this...
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The first paragraph underneath the "Introduction" should suffice.

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« Reply #4385 on: May 16, 2019, 05:09:18 PM »
You're not answering what I wrote Chris...

Please answer what I wrote directly...Specifically answer the point about the frame that contains your enhancement being the best frame to depict the woman's face...

Please go look at Stancak's entry on the Censorship Forum to see correctly-placed height planes...(Although he cheated to get around what those correctly-placed height lines proved)...

Please take less than 3 days to respond...

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« Reply #4386 on: May 16, 2019, 11:00:13 PM »
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Oswald: I'm innocent
Iacoletti:: Okay, you can go
Oswald: [SMIRK]

This old chestnut...

Maybe it's time for a Chapman's Fabrications thread.

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« Reply #4386 on: May 16, 2019, 11:00:13 PM »

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« Reply #4387 on: May 16, 2019, 11:01:29 PM »
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The problem here is the perspective plane in Wiegman is both vertical, horizontal, and depth oriented...What you are doing is drawing flat lines that conform to the software of the line drawing program you're using... They do not live up to the 3 dimensional nature of the axes and planar perspectives you are trying to illustrate that conform to the internal perspective of the image...

There's nothing more amusing than Doyle tying to impress people with lingo that he doesn't even understand.

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« Reply #4388 on: May 16, 2019, 11:08:07 PM »
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Stancak outright ignores that Lovelady specified Stanton was over next to him against the west wall of the portal when the limousine passed the steps...

No he didn't.  You made that up.

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Without any challenge what so ever from the membership I am deemed not fit to post amongst, Stancak is allowed to claim Shelly is still on the landing in Darnell...

People who make up evidence like the above aren't fit to be included in conversations about the case.

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The Couch/Darnell film proves that Shelley is with Lovelady going up the Elm St extension...

You made that up.

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Shelley left the steps near to 20 seconds after the last shot...

and that.

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The Darnell frame Stancak is showing is from 25 to 30 seconds after the last shot...

and that.

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Shelley, Lovelady, and Frazier all spoke of Shelley leaving the steps prior to Darnell...

and that.

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If Stancak had better skill he would realize Shelley could not see Running Woman by the concrete island like he testified if he were still on the steps...

and that.

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Stancak is correct that Pauline Sanders is by the east side of the front door...And it is she who is seen in between Lovelady and Shelley in Altgens...

and that.

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Stanton is over in the Prayer Man spot in Altgens and out of sight...

and that.

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Stancak is playing his denial games once again by ignoring that we have already proven Prayer Man is Stanton...Prayer Man is Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...Prayer Man has Stanton's obese arm and wide hips...Davidson proved there was a woman's face on Prayer Man...

and all of that.

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Lovelady said in his 1964 FBI statement that Stanton was over next to him by the west wall of the portal when the limo passed...

and that.

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More importantly Frazier said he was facing and staring at Stanton after Calvery got to the steps...

and that.

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Darnell shows Reed and Calvery climbing the steps so therefore Frazier is facing Stanton at this time like he described in many interviews and testimonies...

and that.

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Frazier is facing Prayer Man for the entire length of Darnell...

and that.

Your entire spiel is all made-up crap, start to finish.
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« Reply #4389 on: May 16, 2019, 11:09:05 PM »
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Sandy Larsen proved that the man going up the extension was Lovelady by matching the plaid bars on his shirt to the man on the extension...He then deleted his photo forensic match once he realized it proved the timing of Frazier talking to Sarah...

I find his denial of his own evidence and refusal to discuss it to be less than truthful...

No, Doyle made all that up and accused Larsen of doing that with no evidence whatsoever.

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