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Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #4420 on: May 15, 2019, 03:33:21 PM »
He knows he's guilty of it and he is using the opposition being selectively banned to avoid accounting for it...

The community decided to destroy its credibility rather than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

I left a message on Frazier's answering machine yesterday...

Davidson takes a long time to answer but then doesn't answer the point...

Greg Parker must have a contact address for Sean Murphy since he collaborated with him...No one asks Parker about this or seeks Murphy (because they know it is BS)...
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« Reply #4421 on: May 15, 2019, 10:41:04 PM »
And now, some 55+ years later, there is still not any eyewitness testimony/statement placing LeeHarveyOswald on the TSBD Bldg Elm St Entrance Landing at 12:30pm CST on 11/22/'63, and/or at the time of the Assassination of JFK Sr and Wounding of JBC Jr. And, among potential eyewitnesses were many co-workers, including BuellWesleyFrazier that LHO rode to work with that very morning, who would have recognized the soon to be, arguably, the most famous accused LoneGunmanAssassin of all time.

We have witnesses claiming there were shots from the knoll Larry but in the end it don't mean nothing because it doesn't prove nothing.
If witnesses really meant something to you which I highly doubt, you wouldn't be wasting your time here, there's a hole in the back of his head the size according to more than one witness and that's all you need apparently... right?
Takes 25yrs for Frazier to tell us he saw LHO walking along Houston and suddenly it's a hard fact to some people in this lil' world of ours.  I just don't get it.  Like you'd change your mind if one was found, or a relative of one who claimed "they told me he/she saw him there", it's ridiculous.

"I didn't shoot nobody", remember?  There's your "witness" right there.

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« Reply #4422 on: May 15, 2019, 10:58:35 PM »
It's frustrating to be skilled amongst the skill-less...

I advise people to take a look at Andrej Stancak's latest offering on the other forum's Prayer Man Is A Man thread...

FINALLY someone has gotten the height lines correct and adapted them to the internal perspective of the image! Hoorah!

But typical of Stancak he then fudges his calculations in order to force Prayer Man to be Oswald...

Please take a look at Stancak's drawing of the 5 foot 4 line as landing on Frazier's mouth...It is incorrectly drawn...A human head is 8 to 9 inches in length from the top of the head to the chin...Frazier was 6 foot 1/2 inch tall, so that means that if you subtract the 8 inch average head length from Frazier's 6 foot 1/2 inch height you would get 5 foot 4...Which means the 5 foot 4 line should cross at Frazier's chin...But typical of Stancak he tweaks it to run across Frazier's mouth...Frazier's mouth was approximately 2 inches above Frazier's chin...So the height level of Frazier's mouth would be 5 foot 6 and not 5 foot 4 as Stancak incorrectly places it...Stancak is giving wrong measurements according to the known science he pretends to be offering...

Stancak is once again proving our case for us but coming to the wrong conclusions...The fact he has finally shown the correct height lines in his graphic that accurately conform to the internal perspective in Darnell shows that his heights are now deadly accurate IF PROPERLY SHOWN...However he has cheated and placed the 5 foot 4 line at Frazier's mouth when the 8 inch average length for a human head makes that 5 foot 4 level always occur at Frazier's chin...

One look at the Darnell image shows Prayer Man's head to line up with Frazier's chin and therefore proves Prayer Man is exactly Sarah Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...

The reason Stancak has cheated and deliberately violated his own science is because he is trying to force Prayer Man to be 5 foot 2 so he can then add the 7 inches of the step and make him Oswald's 5 foot 9...But he is trapped by his own science and the precision of his now-correct height lines...Nobody points out to Stancak the easily-seen, publicly-presented fatal conflicts in his offerings that he once again ignores...

Thank you very much Mr Stancak...



 
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« Reply #4423 on: May 15, 2019, 11:36:19 PM »

The frame you are showing is the frame in question...
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PM in that frame is distorted and Chris did far better with the other frame and I appreciate him posting it here for us.  It's a far more natural looking figure and has at least some resemblance to what we see in Darnell and a normal human being w/e sex it is.  It's a major correction but what's done is done.
That's a careful enhancement of Wiegman PM but what you have been focusing on is a freak but some people(you mainly) just cannot unsee it and it's a complete waste of time to try and make them.  We should expect you to at least comment on Chris' "woman" though, if you were an upfront and honest person which i'm sure you are.  AFAIK you have yet to even recognise it's existance but I'd have to go check your response to his recent posts here, something I've been avoiding because it's become such an unbearable chore.

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« Reply #4424 on: May 16, 2019, 01:33:50 AM »


Barry...I don't know what you're talking about...The frame Davidson showed is the steady, clear frame that possesses Sarah's face...It possesses a clearly visible female face and therefore proves Prayer Man is not Oswald...

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« Reply #4425 on: May 16, 2019, 08:18:04 AM »
There is another frame that provides an alternative take on the Weigman PM and it's a careful and focused enhancement.  Unlike the freak that came about by complete accident.  One big clue for the layman is the big "forehead" coming out of PM's skull in the frame you like, it's actually longer than Herman Munster's(no joke, it really is).

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« Reply #4426 on: May 16, 2019, 01:04:38 PM »
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The technique was the same for both frames but we have two very different looking faces/heads, so will you at least recognise "the other woman" to begin with Brian?  Perhaps someone can isolate "her from the gif for us(or I could try later)? 

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« Reply #4427 on: May 16, 2019, 02:04:25 PM »
There is another frame that provides an alternative take on the Weigman PM and it's a careful and focused enhancement.  Unlike the freak that came about by complete accident.  One big clue for the layman is the big "forehead" coming out of PM's skull in the frame you like, it's actually longer than Herman Munster's(no joke, it really is).


What you are saying isn't accurate...The frame with the woman's face is the best frame because you can see everything else in the image also becomes clearer and sharper...The reason for that is because the camera technology of the day would take a clear frame when the camera was steady...The frame Davidson used for his enhancement was such a clear, sharp frame and because of that Sarah's face emerged in it...Both you and Davidson have failed to answer this...And Davidson has an annoying habit of disappearing when you ask him to respond to these kind of facts that serve to make progress on the subject...

I think the elongated forehead is actually the forehead of somebody who shifted behind Sarah in Wiegman...It could possibly be Shelley's forehead as he tracks in order to progress down the stairs...

Barry, since you are showing a lack of credible response to the facts I am not going to answer further such replies...You have to explain on a technical basis what the clear face of a woman in the above frame is and you just can't say "freak accident"...It doesn't work that way at the technical level we are dealing at and you can't just say "freak accident" without explaining what exactly caused the obvious clear image of a woman's face to be on Prayer Man in that frame exactly where a woman's face should be...Any photo analysis expert who looked at the image would tell you it was a real face that was part of the original Wiegman celluloid...That face is Sarah's Stanton's and the forehead of Shelley behind it can't be used as an excuse to dismiss it...

So far Davidson has not returned to answer for this...

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« Reply #4428 on: May 16, 2019, 02:47:00 PM »
Over on the other forum where bad research is preferred over good and forced by censorship, Sandy Larsen has chimed-in and approved of Stancak's latest pseudo-analysis garbage...Sandy starts by saying Stancak has made a good discovery in his showing of someone who is behind Shelley in Darnell...First off, Shelley is not in Darnell...Larsen doesn't notice that he himself in that same post says Shelley left the steps immediately after the shots...Darnell is 25-30 seconds after the shots so Shelley cannot be in Darnell like Larsen says in that post...This is a clumsy, goofy fatal conflict that shows a serious lack of analysis competency but it goes unchallenged on the other forum because it backs the consensus of the insiders who believe Prayer Man is Oswald no matter how much evidence works against it...Fatal, silly conflicts like this are perfectly fine and preferred on that forum as long as they back the favorites...Persons like myself who are capable of competently detecting those conflicts and giving proper interpretation to them are quickly hustled off the board with false rules violation charges...Right there in that post Sandy is both saying Shelley left the steps immediately after the last shot and was also on the top step in the same place he was in Altgens with none of the other forum's members pointing it out...And this is how the goofy Prayer Man legend was born...The person behind the men on the landing in Darnell is Pauline Sanders not Sarah Stanton...Stancak knows this but he isn't afraid to waste people's time with juvenile attempts to bend the evidence towards Prayer Man being Oswald...

Larsen also shows notable incompetency by failing to realize the person Shelley said he encountered by the concrete island was Karan Hicks and not Gloria Calvery...Both Stancak and Larsen are contemptibly ignoring the film evidence that shows Gloria Calvery is climbing the steps in Darnell and is therefore proving the timing that shows Shelley spoke to Calvery at the steps before going up the extension...The white blouse and black skirt Karan Hicks is wearing can be seen on the woman Shelley pulls up and speaks to as she runs by the concrete island so we know that is Hicks and not Calvery...Stancak and Larsen, under the protection of a censoring moderator, ignore the years of posting this correct information that Graves and I have been doing and choose to go with a version that anyone can see is wrong by simply looking at the film evidence in question...And they do so with the full silent cooperation of the membership of that other board...One look at where Calvery is on the steps in Darnell vs the progress of Lovelady & Shelley up the extension shows that Shelley had to confront Calvery on the steps just like Lovelady and Frazier said...For Larsen to ignore this shows a disqualifying level of poor analysis...

The Darnell film does not show Shelley going to the concrete island and turning around...I admire John Armstrong and his work but he was stubborn on this point in our phone conversation...Lovelady and Shelley went up to the west side of the building after Darnell and went in through the side entrance...This is contained in that first day affidavit, but only it is written in condensed form...If you pay attention to that affidavit, Shelley is saying they went to the west side of the building and went back inside, only he is shortening it because it didn't mean much in that first day affidavit before the conspirators made him alter his witnessing...The JFK research community is currently suffering from poorly disciplined researchers who don't have the personal discipline to restrain their need to force their pet theories over the real evidence...Lovelady & Shelley went up to the west side of the building and went back in that way...

Calvery is NOT talking to Lovelady on the steps because Larsen himself proved that Lovelady was going up the extension in that same shot by matching the plaid bars on his shirt...It is incredibly dishonest for Larsen not to admit this and is also seriously dubious for the other membership to let him get away with it when they saw the same post where Larsen proved this a few years ago...The person Larsen is calling Lovelady on the steps is actually Molina and this is a prime example of the damage unchecked researchers who want to push their pet theories at the expense of good research can do...

Go to Stancak's latest pseudo analysis and you will see he has posted garbage whose very calibrations make Frazier's head only 6 inches in length instead of the scientifically necessary 8 inches...He's done that because any correct application of his otherwise very accurate measurements would prove our case and show Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...Stancak literally cheated in broad daylight and not only did no one notice, but he got the full praising approval of Sandy Larsen...Stancak did that because he needs to force Prayer Man to be 5 foot 2 and on the step...Two things that I have already proven are not possible but Stancak ignores with the aid of bully censorship...

These persons only post on sites where we are unfairly banned in order to avoid what they know they can't honestly answer...

This post is crushingly correct and presents the correct evidence...

It will be ignored and the facts in it will not be answered...




 
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« Reply #4429 on: May 16, 2019, 05:02:06 PM »

What you are saying isn't accurate...The frame with the woman's face is the best frame because you can see everything else in the image also becomes clearer and sharper...The reason for that is because the camera technology of the day would take a clear frame when the camera was steady...The frame Davidson used for his enhancement was such a clear, sharp frame and because of that Sarah's face emerged in it...Both you and Davidson have failed to answer this...And Davidson has an annoying habit of disappearing when you ask him to respond to these kind of facts that serve to make progress on the subject...

I think the elongated forehead is actually the forehead of somebody who shifted behind Sarah in Wiegman...It could possibly be Shelley's forehead as he tracks in order to progress down the stairs...

Barry, since you are showing a lack of credible response to the facts I am not going to answer further such replies...You have to explain on a technical basis what the clear face of a woman in the above frame is and you just can't say "freak accident"...It doesn't work that way at the technical level we are dealing at and you can't just say "freak accident" without explaining what exactly caused the obvious clear image of a woman's face to be on Prayer Man in that frame exactly where a woman's face should be...Any photo analysis expert who looked at the image would tell you it was a real face that was part of the original Wiegman celluloid...That face is Sarah's Stanton's and the forehead of Shelley behind it can't be used as an excuse to dismiss it...

So far Davidson has not returned to answer for this...
I will start with this:
http://ijsetr.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/IJSETR-VOL-3-ISSUE-10-2800-2805.pdf
The first paragraph underneath the "Introduction" should suffice.

 

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