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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4190 on: April 27, 2019, 08:37:42 PM »
The affidavit of Baker  that was taken BEFORE 5:00 pm  1/22/63 confirms that Baker saw Lee in the second floor lunchroom about 75 seconds after the shooting....

OMG, really? A same-day affidavit from Officer Baker confirming the lunchroom encounter? I didn't know about this... how embarrassing!

What exactly does it say?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4191 on: April 27, 2019, 08:50:36 PM »
OMG, really? A same-day affidavit from Officer Baker confirming the lunchroom encounter? I didn't know about this... how embarrassing!

What exactly does it say?

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I'll be interested to see this as well, Alan.

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« Reply #4192 on: April 27, 2019, 10:59:19 PM »
Stanton is proven to be Prayer Man because of Davidson's enhancement where he proved it was the image of a woman gotten from the Wiegman original with his metadata...As soon as we get the Wiegman original it will show The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger is telling a non-truth and that the exact same woman's face Davidson brought out is seen in the original showing that The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's claim that it is a freak mirage is the silly excuse it is...

The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's choice for Stanton down the east side of the steps is not Stanton and The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger and his followers refuse to answer for the evidence that proves this like Frazier saying he and Stanton were furthest back in to the shadows on the landing as well as Lovelady placing Stanton against the west wall 40 seconds earlier...So that means The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger hasn't located Stanton and has failed to prove his case... 

The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger refuses to answer for the fact Prayer Man is not behind Lovelady in Altgens...Frazier is behind and Prayer Man is to Lovelady's right...The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger is falsely saying Lovelady was about to name Oswald as the person standing behind him in his Commission testimony and that Oswald was Prayer Man...The only problem with that is Frazier is standing behind Lovelady...Meanwhile Lovelady has already named Stanton as being the person to his right in Altgens...Prayer Man is to Lovelady's right in Altgens...

We have proven beyond a doubt that Stanton is Prayer Man...If you look at the Stancak overhead graphic of the portal Stancak shows sun on Prayer Man's bent leg...However if you go to the Darnell image of Prayer Man there is no sun on Prayer Man's leg...There is no bent leg at all...This proves that Prayer Man is standing on the landing and is therefore too short to be Oswald when compared to Frazier...When I pointed this out to Stancak at Moricet's forum he protested that too many people were attacking his evidence and he was going to retreat back to the other forum...He never, however, admitted this fatal gaffe he made in his own graphic that once again proved what I was saying was correct and had proven Prayer Man was Stanton...

The reason Stancak never did a cartoon graphic for the Wiegman scene is because it would instantly show that his claim that Prayer Man has a foot on the step in Wiegman would be impossible for the same reason that Prayer Man's left side would have to be in sun for him to be in that position...And none of the untruthful Prayer Man mob ask Stancak to do that Wiegman graphic because they know what it will show...

There are some highly untruthful people involved in the pro-Prayer Man camp...
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« Reply #4193 on: April 27, 2019, 11:07:35 PM »
You're reading Hosty's interpretation  of what he thought Lee said.     If those notes were written by Lee Oswald THEN I might look at it differently.

This may be too simple for you because you seem to enjoy making things complicated.....BUT....Even if Lee did tell the interrogators that he went outside to watch the parade AFTER going to the second floor to buy a Coca Cola and AFTER he met Roy Truly and Marrion Baker there in that second floor lunchroom,and AFTER he returned to the Domino room and AFTER he finished his lunch he THEN went outside to watch the parade not knowing that the pared no longer existed.

You simply are desperately trying to put Lee outside in front of the TSBD as the Parade was passing by and WHILE the shots were being fired.....

Question...WHAT IS THE ONE THING THAT ALL SPECTATORS REPORTED?  ...answer:...    Every last one of the spectators reported hearing gun shots.....Did Lee Oswald EVER say anything about hearing gunshots?     ....Answer ....NO he did not.....  WHY?   Because he was in a place in which the gunshots could not be heard....a place like the second Floor lunchroom ...or the stair well between floors.


I've been saying this for years...

The reason no one ever asked Oswald if he heard the shots is because they did not want to provoke him to say he was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots...

In his Commission testimony Fritz did say he was fairly certain Oswald told him he was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots...

Alan doesn't admit that Sarah Stanton seeing Oswald with a Coke at around 12:17 makes it very unlikely he traveled from there to the 1st floor and then came back up to get a 2nd Coke...Alan gives no heed to the fact Oswald was obviously waiting for Mrs Reid and the lunch room ladies to clear out and he then went in to the 2nd floor lunch room after they had all left...Carolyn Arnold was the wild card he hadn't expected and caught him in there at 12:25...And that's where he was during the shots and after when Baker & Truly encountered him...

Stanton is on record as taking the elevator back upstairs when she came back inside...Which almost certainly means she took it on her way out to see the motorcade...The front elevator is separated from the front stairs so that means Stanton could not have seen Oswald by the front stairs...

The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger is afraid of me and doesn't dare come over here and have a fair debate because he knows he'll be crushed...He is afraid like a little girl...



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« Reply #4194 on: April 27, 2019, 11:38:25 PM »
The Armstrong doubters haven't figured out yet that Geneva Hine is the teller of non truths and she was gotten to...She saw the T-shirt Oswald walk out the glass doors to the front steps but was gotten to and said she saw nothing...The Prayer Man people say Mrs Reid is the teller of non truths and Hine is the truth-teller but they have it backwards...Hine was gotten to because she was an inconvenient witness to Oswald coming from the 2nd floor lunch room...She was silenced because she saw Oswald wearing a white T-shirt and not a reddish brown shirt...This Oswald was seen hiding in the storage closet under the front stairs by Campbell minutes later when he came back from the Knoll...The Commission avoided asking Campbell what his Oswald was wearing because it was a white t-shirt and was "Lee"... 

Carol Reed told me she ran right back inside and that the elevator wasn't working...She said it must have had the electricity turned off...Carol Reed is not in Hine's witnessing because she was told by a cop to hide under her desk and not come out and she did for several hours...The haters are not even interested in this exclusive new evidence...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4195 on: April 28, 2019, 04:07:08 PM »
Wow, back with a vengeance eh Brian. So basically you're the forum's version of genital warts . :-[

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4196 on: April 28, 2019, 04:27:26 PM »
OMG, really? A same-day affidavit from Officer Baker confirming the lunchroom encounter? I didn't know about this... how embarrassing!

What exactly does it say?

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I'm sorry....I'm in Error.... Baker did NOT say anything about meeting Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom in his affidavit for 11/22/63.  However, I believe it was Chief Curry who told reporters that one of his officers had encountered the cold blooded, arch villain Lee Harrrrrrvey Osssssswald   Booooo! Hisss! just seconds after he had murdered the President.  And he was calmly drinking a Coca Cola in the lunchroom.....when the officer saw him.

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« Reply #4197 on: April 28, 2019, 04:44:23 PM »
Baker did NOT say anything about meeting Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom in his affidavit for 11/22/63.  However, I believe it was Chief Curry who told reporters that one of his officers had encountered the cold blooded, arch villain Lee Harrrrrrvey Osssssswald   Booooo! Hisss! just seconds after he had murdered the President.  And he was calmly drinking a Coca Cola in the lunchroom.....when the officer saw him.


Because Baker was under Westbrook's controlling of the evidence by that time...When Baker wrote the affidavit they were trying to avoid mention of Oswald's exonerating location in the 2nd floor lunch room...In his testimony Fritz said he was told of the lunch room encounter when he was at the Depository right after the shooting...Proof of this is Baker gave the ongoing Military Intelligence file description of Oswald that shows he was under the control of the people who gave that information...

That Coca Cola was the same one Sarah Stanton saw Oswald with minutes earlier...He didn't drink it fast because he had other things on his mind (like being in the assigned 2nd floor lunch room without any lady employees being there)...

Alan is ignoring that Holmes heard Oswald say he went downstairs to see what the commotion was about...That was after the Baker & Truly encounter and proves he was on the second floor...Oswald's interest in the commotion is the same reason he went and stood in the Vestibule door window where Baker saw him when Baker emerged on to the 2nd floor staircase landing...Oswald flinched away when he saw Baker and Baker went after him according to his cop instincts...Baker could not admit to this detail because it would show Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots...Which in turn shows Baker was under the control of the conspiracy when he wrote that affidavit...DiEugenio and The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger are pretending there was no conspiratorial influence on Baker at that time and that he was a clean boy scout like all the rest of the Dallas cops and would have honestly written down all he witnessed and pointed-out Oswald in front of the feds and his brass...You know...In an obvious situation where the Dallas cops were trying to nail Oswald as being Kennedy's killer The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger and Jim D are saying Baker would have gone in and given Oswald his alibi in front of all those federal guys and the DPD higher ups...Yep...

 
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4198 on: April 28, 2019, 10:44:38 PM »
If Sarah Staunton is prayer person, why didn't she mention anything about a police officer having to run almost right into her on the front step landing?

 Mr Truly, with BAker, they both have to  go past Sarah Staunton , unless Staunton goes in 1st, in the few seconds right as Baker is ascending the front steps, and Baker stopping momentarily perhaps to await Mr Truly joining him before proceeding to open the front door.

But if Staunton went in first, then should not she have remembered seeing a police officer and the boss, Roy Truly, just coming into the lobby right behind her? . How far could Sarah have traveled if she was likely heading 1st to the front passenger elevator, which would be a logical easier option for a heavy person to choose rather than having trek up 18 steps.

Since the TSBD  front entrance door swings outward counterclockwise, and since the flow of persons seen in Darnell/Couch films  is going up the LEFT hand side of the steps, it would seem logical that Baker and Truly would also go up the left side as well. They would have gone right past Sarah Staunton if she remained standing there in the corner.

Who would be less noticeable  in the corner, a large round woman with a purse held up to her mouth or head, whom was well known by fellow employees, or a recently hired 135 lb man with Dr.Pepper bottle in hand, that nobody knew very well, except for BW.Frazier?

If Oswald is prayer person, its more probable that he, being nimble and quick,  might have been able to go in first, and make it to the frront storage room by the front staircase, before Baker and Truly enter the lobby. Then Baker/Truly go past to the 2nd set of glass doors to enter the front office area, and if Oswald came out of the storage room then, its easy to see Baker being surprised by Oswald emerging from storage room.

But Oswald is also probably NOT as noticeable as a 400 lb round woman, so  Oswald unnoticedby Baker/Truly while still standing in the corner. Then if Oswald placed his Dr.Pepper bottle on a step down from that corner part of the landing, he could have entered sometime after Baker/Truly,  around 50 sec posts shots, during the time Baker/Truly are working their way thru the front office area, and the 2nd set of glass doors have been closed.

If so, Oswald could have made it to the 2nd floor lunchroom by abou 85 sec post shots, using the front staircase and outer 2nd lfoor hallway, at a pace of 5ft/sec and taking 15 seconds to ascend the 18 step front staircase.

Sarah Staunton had FBI statement taken, and had plenty of years later to have mentioned something about seeing Baker and Truly, but did not.

Oswald only had one interrogation where his statements were not recorded in detail, nor in presence of reliable source, like an attorney, court stenographer, or recording tape or film, so there is some possibility Oswald may have said something about seeing Baker and Truly ENTER the TSBD front entrance, which such statement  would have of necessity had to be omitted by Will Fritz, otherwise the whole case goes from "cinched" to "improbable".


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« Reply #4199 on: April 28, 2019, 11:09:56 PM »
That's just wishful speculation...Meanwhile we have proven that Prayer Man has a woman's face in Wiegman that is 10 seconds after Lovelady said in his 1964 FBI statement that Stanton was over against the west wall of the portal with him...The Prayer Man people cannot locate Sarah Stanton in any of the photography even though she's hard to hide...The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's choice of a random woman down the east side of the steps cannot be Stanton because of Lovelady's identification as well as Frazier's who put her "furthest back into the shadows" with him...Prayer Man is furthest back into the shadows...Prayer Man also has Stanton's obese hips and forearm as well as Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...

I recently realized Stanton's obese left forearm is visible in Darnell...You can see its obesity in the image...

Stanton's lack of mention of Baker is irrelevant to this...

By your own argument Zeon, Baker would have to have seen Oswald right in front of him on the landing as well...Your scenario makes no sense because those employees you see going inside would have seen Oswald in the Lobby too...They would have entered the Lobby shoulder to shoulder with Oswald in the Doorway...
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