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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4170 on: April 26, 2019, 02:59:26 AM »

Couldn't that bottle of pop have been Billy Lovelady's?

Wasn't he alleged to have been sitting on the steps, eating his lunch?

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Joseph Ball: You ate your lunch on the steps?

Billy Lovelady: Yes, sir.

Joseph Ball: Who was with you?

Billy Lovelady: Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton....

Joseph Ball: Were you there when the President's motorcade went by?

Billy Lovelady: Right.

Joseph Ball: Did you hear anything?

Billy Lovelady: Yes, sir: sure did.

Joseph Ball: What did you hear?

Billy Lovelady: I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating the arrival of the President. It didn't occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot.

Joseph Ball: Who was this girl?

Billy Lovelady: Gloria Calvary...


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Harold Norman, on who else was out front when he and "Junior" Jarman went outside: "Well, I believe Billy Lovelady, I think. He was sitting on the steps there."

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-- MWT   ;)

Mr. BALL - What did you do after you went down and washed up; what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I went over and got my lunch and went upstairs and got a coke and come on back down.
Mr. BALL - Upstairs on what floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.


Low probability the Dr. Pepper bottle belonged to Billy Lovelady:

A. Billy Lovelady statement is, on the record, as "coke" and from "upstairs" therefore, NOT from the Dr.Pepper machine which was on first floor, right by the rear staircase.

B. Oswald made NO statement, on record, of having bought a coke. Only Will Fritz scribbles of what Oswald MAY have said, which could be imcomplete or purposely omitting some words or phrases, expecially "I went out to the front to watch the parade" which apparently Hostys ears heard. but Will Fritz forgot or did not hear.

C. Oswald favorite drink was Dr. Pepper.  Vincent Bugliosi's own book "Reclaiming History" even admits that. Billy Lovelady, however, There are no WC statements made from other employees or Lovelady himself,  that indicate that Billy Loveladys favorite drink was Dr.Pepper.

D. It has NOT BEEN PROVED that prayer person is a woman. Exaggerated images from computer enlargements do not prove anything other than images can be distorted far beyond the orignal fuzzy image.


« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 03:01:45 AM by Zeon Mason »

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4171 on: April 26, 2019, 03:23:28 AM »
Mr. BALL - What did you do after you went down and washed up; what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I went over and got my lunch and went upstairs and got a coke and come on back down.
Mr. BALL - Upstairs on what floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.


Low probability the Dr. Pepper bottle belonged to Billy Lovelady:

A. Billy Lovelady statement is, on the record, as "coke" and from "upstairs" therefore, NOT from the Dr.Pepper machine which was on first floor, right by the rear staircase.

B. Oswald made NO statement, on record, of having bought a coke. Only Will Fritz scribbles of what Oswald MAY have said, which could be imcomplete or purposely omitting some words or phrases, expecially "I went out to the front to watch the parade" which apparently Hostys ears heard. but Will Fritz forgot or did not hear.

C. Oswald favorite drink was Dr. Pepper.  Vincent Bugliosi's own book "Reclaiming History" even admits that. Billy Lovelady, however, There are no WC statements made from other employees or Lovelady himself,  that indicate that Billy Loveladys favorite drink was Dr.Pepper.

D. It has NOT BEEN PROVED that prayer person is a woman. Exaggerated images from computer enlargements do not prove anything other than images can be distorted far beyond the orignal fuzzy image.

As Larry Hancock pointed out on the EF a few years ago, back-in-the-day, Southerners often referred to any soft drink as a "coke" or a "coke-cola".

Was it ever determined what kind of soft drink Inspector of Police, Herbert J. Sawyer, was drinking on the steps after the assassination?

Before or during the motorcade, was Carl Jones eating his lunch or drinking a "coke-cola" while sitting on the steps?

-- MWT  ;)
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 03:58:40 AM by Thomas Graves »

Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4172 on: April 26, 2019, 12:14:36 PM »
As Larry Hancock pointed out on the EF a few years ago, back-in-the-day, Southerners often referred to any soft drink as a "coke" or a "coke-cola".

Was it ever determined what kind of soft drink Inspector of Police, Herbert J. Sawyer, was drinking on the steps after the assassination?

Before or during the motorcade, was Carl Jones eating his lunch or drinking a "coke-cola" while sitting on the steps?

-- MWT  ;)

Gosh...... I miss Albert.  I miss even more the images he should have posted along with his theories.  I wonder what he's a-gonna do about Mary Pinchot?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4173 on: April 26, 2019, 02:17:36 PM »
Mr. BALL - What did you do after you went down and washed up; what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I went over and got my lunch and went upstairs and got a coke and come on back down.
Mr. BALL - Upstairs on what floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.


Low probability the Dr. Pepper bottle belonged to Billy Lovelady:

A. Billy Lovelady statement is, on the record, as "coke" and from "upstairs" therefore, NOT from the Dr.Pepper machine which was on first floor, right by the rear staircase.

B. Oswald made NO statement, on record, of having bought a coke. Only Will Fritz scribbles of what Oswald MAY have said, which could be imcomplete or purposely omitting some words or phrases, expecially "I went out to the front to watch the parade" which apparently Hostys ears heard. but Will Fritz forgot or did not hear.

C. Oswald favorite drink was Dr. Pepper.  Vincent Bugliosi's own book "Reclaiming History" even admits that. Billy Lovelady, however, There are no WC statements made from other employees or Lovelady himself,  that indicate that Billy Loveladys favorite drink was Dr.Pepper.

D. It has NOT BEEN PROVED that prayer person is a woman. Exaggerated images from computer enlargements do not prove anything other than images can be distorted far beyond the orignal fuzzy image.

Oswald favorite drink was Dr. Pepper.  Vincent Bugliosi's own book "Reclaiming History" even admits that.

Even if it's true that Lee Oswald's favorite soda was Dr Pepper.....   That certainly doesn't mean that he drank no other beverage.     And citing Bugliosi's book is akin to citing Alice in Wonderland.....   
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 02:19:42 PM by Walt Cakebread »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4174 on: April 26, 2019, 08:46:30 PM »
No need----------since 19 February 2019-----------to speculate about what Mr Oswald had to drink!:



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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4175 on: April 26, 2019, 09:36:19 PM »
No need----------since 19 February 2019-----------to speculate about what Mr Oswald had to drink!:



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According to these notes....Lee returned to the first floor after buying a coke ( that would have been AFTER the Baker Truly encounter and after 12:33 )  He then ate his lunch in the domino room ( let's allow him just 5 minutes to gulp down his lunch) that makes it about 12:38 that he went outside to watch a non existent parade....And wasn't this the time that he was allegedly boarding Mc Watter's bus??


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4176 on: April 26, 2019, 10:15:48 PM »
According to these notes....Lee returned to the first floor after buying a coke ( that would have been AFTER the Baker Truly encounter and after 12:33 )

What nonsense!

Why, Mr Cakebread, when you read the words "Then went outside to watch P. parade", do you feel the need to replace its perfectly plain meaning with a tortured meaning of your own invention?

Listen to what Mr Oswald is telling us through Agent Hosty's notes: I was out front when the President passed.

This all-important claim was suppressed. Why on earth would you not celebrate the fact that it is suppressed no more, instead of throwing illogical assertions at it?

Bizarre  ::)

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4177 on: April 27, 2019, 12:22:27 AM »
Gosh...... I miss Albert.  I miss even more the images he should have posted along with his theories.  I wonder what he's a-gonna do about Mary Pinchot?

Speaking of Culto, he pointed out this, from Peter Janney's 2004, Lost Light Manuscript.:


No instruction has been received to retrieve the entity recently removed from the island.

Is this good news or bad? I am half expecting to soon read posts by a new member of this forum named Ralph Yates.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2019, 12:40:06 AM by Tom Scully »

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4178 on: April 27, 2019, 03:04:41 AM »

The following 3D red/cyan composite was created from panning frames taken a microsecond apart meaning that the two frames are separated horizontally and can be combined stereoscopically to create depth, in the image below the amount of red blue separation increases as the objects get closer to the camera. Now assuming that Prayer Person didn't substantially move in that 1/10 of a second, we can center on PP and see that he/she is the furthest away object and what can also be seen on the wall beside PP is PP's soft shadow created by the sunlight reflecting off all the people and is further evidence of PP's position on the top landing.







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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4179 on: April 27, 2019, 09:47:48 AM »
"Assuming that Prayer Person didn't substantially move in that 1/10 of a second, we can center on PP and see that he/she is the furthest away object and what can also be seen on the wall beside PP is PP's soft shadow created by the sunlight reflecting off all the people and is further evidence of PP's position on the top landing."






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John,

Very interesting work, especially regarding PP's shadow.

1) Does this mean Prayer Person wasn't standing awkwardly for thirty seconds or so with one foot on the landing, and the other foot on the top step?

2) If Prayer Person was the farthest person from Darnell's camera, and if Frazier was 6' 1.5" tall, what would you judge PP's height to be closer to --  Sarah Stanton's 5' 4", or Oswald's 5' 9.5"?

-- MWT   ;)
« Last Edit: April 27, 2019, 10:32:19 AM by Thomas Graves »

 

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