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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2560 on: February 12, 2019, 09:15:23 AM »
Fritz inflated it , did he? Ah, if only it were that easy for you. Sorry, but Fritz wasn't the only one to report that Oswald claimed to have ate his lunch with Jarman and Norman. Secret Service Agent Thomas Kelley also heard him say it. Kelley also asked him if he had viewed the parade and he said he had not.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29105#relPageId=1&tab=page

Hah! How do you know that Bookhout scrambled the chronology?

Holmes was right? So, Oswald was upstairs when the shooting took place after all? Well, that was easy.

What are you talking about? Carolyn Arnold thought that she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse. She wasn't sure that it was Oswald and that it was a few minutes before 12:15. How could that in any way be corroborative of Oswald's "suppressed claim"?

Sarah Stanton never saw Oswald at all that day.

"I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day." -- From the signed sworn affidavit of Sarah Stanton, March 18,1964

How was it that she could have corroborated Oswald's "suppressed claim"?

How exactly does 'for the P. Parade' show that Bookhout changed the timeframe?

1) Kelley, like Fritz and Bookhout and Hosty, lied. The Hosty note proves it. It's called a cover-up. Cover-ups tend to convince gullible souls like you!

2) We know Bookhout scrambled the chronology of what Mr Oswald said because Hosty tells us Mr Oswald said he went "outside to watch P. Parade" after his visit to the 2nd floor lunchroom. Note that Hosty doesn't write "Then went out front." or "Then went outside to see what happening." No! He makes it plain as plain can be by using the words watch and parade. Those two words bring your little house of cards down!

3) No, Mr Holmes compressed Mr Oswald's account: working upstairs--broke for lunch--downstairs to 2 for coke--downstairs to 1--cop encounter at front entrance. Thankfully, Hosty's note now tells us exactly what Mr Oswald said!

4) Ms Arnold told FBI about seeing Mr Oswald in 2nd floor lunchroom before assassination. They changed her story without telling her. It's called a cover-up. Cover-ups tend to convince gullible souls like you! Ms Stanton's sighting of Mr Oswald came to light last year: she didn't want trouble, so said nothing at the time. And now here we have proof that Mr Oswald claimed a pre-12:30 visit to the lunchroom. His claim chimes perfectly with Ms Arnold and Ms Stanton. Funny, that! But you won't accept the link because it's too painful to do. We understand, Mr Nickerson, truly we do!

5) See #2!  And look up the words watch and Parade in a dictionary! Thumb1:

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2561 on: February 12, 2019, 09:20:54 AM »
Yeah, that bit.

Like I said, if you want to see a real zealot, look in the mirror.

Everyone who made statements that conflict with your Prayer Man narrative lied? Several of them under oath? How many were there anyway? Let's make a list , shall we?

1) Marion Baker DPD

2) Roy Truly TSBD forman

3) Jeraldean Reid( AKA Mrs. Robert Reid TSBD employee

4) Will Fritz (DPD) Recorded "I asked Oswald where he was when the Police officer stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the officer came in."

5) James Bookhout (FBI) -  "Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dalls polie officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca Cola from the soft drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr Truly was present and verified that he was an employee"

That's five. Anyone else?

It's not a matter of opinion that all the interrogation reports and related testimonies lied about Mr Oswald's claimed whereabouts. The Hosty note has just proved it.

Add Hosty to the list, by the way. In Assignment Oswald he pretends Mr Oswald claimed to be in the domino room at the time of the P. Parade  ::)

But by all means continue along on your Gullible's Travels, Mr Nickerson! You're giving us a good laugh Thumb1:

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2562 on: February 12, 2019, 12:54:45 PM »
Answer to 1)!: They suppressed from all reports and testimony the supremely important fact that Mr Oswald had claimed to have gone out to watch the parade.

Answer to 2)!: Don't be silly, Mr Graves. That's only one of several possible postures-------do your homework, man, and read the earlier parts of this thread!  Thumb1:

Dear Alan,

I guess you didn't follow Stancak's highly creative attempts at the EF to create a 3-D model in which Prayer Person could be "proved" to be 5' 9" inches tall, you know, just like that nice young man, Lee Harvey Oswald!

(Who was 5' 9.5", btw, and whose right leg was not three inches longer than his left).

Talk about standing unnaturally and uncomfortably!

Wowie Zowie!

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 12:57:22 PM by Thomas Graves »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2563 on: February 12, 2019, 01:29:00 PM »
Dear Alan,

I guess you didn't follow Stancak's highly creative attempts at the EF to create a 3-D model in which Prayer Person could be "proved" to be 5' 9" inches tall, you know, just like that nice young man, Lee Harvey Oswald!

(Who was 5' 9.5", btw, and whose right leg was not three inches longer than his left).

Talk about standing unnaturally and uncomfortably!

Wowie Zowie!

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Mr Stancak's effort was a fine one, but it wrongly assumed only one possible posture!

Speaking of 'highly creative attempts', how are your and Mr Doyle's 3D model of white-haired, obese, to-Mr-Frazier's-left Ms Stanton coming along? 

Wowie Zowie Bowie! :D

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2564 on: February 12, 2019, 02:44:43 PM »
Mr Stancak's effort was a fine one, but it wrongly assumed only one possible posture!

Speaking of 'highly creative attempts', how are your and Mr Doyle's 3D model of white-haired, obese, to-Mr-Frazier's-left Ms Stanton coming along? 

Wowie Zowie Bowie! :D

Dear Alan,

So, you admit that Stancak's modeling was unsuccessful.

Good!

Now, what other postures for 5' 9.5" Oswald do you propose that might "work" better in Stancak's desperate modeling attempt to prove Oswald innocent?

Slouching against the wall in order to reduce his height by five or six inches?

Kneeling?

(LOL)

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)


« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 02:51:13 PM by Thomas Graves »

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« Reply #2565 on: February 12, 2019, 04:58:22 PM »
Alan is lying...Fritz's notes and Bookhout's report both repeat the same timeline of Oswald's statement starting at the 2nd floor lunch room encounter...All three then have Oswald going to the 1st floor and all 3 have Oswald going outside after going to the 1st floor...

Kamp is trying to pull a fast one by not informing the reader that all 3 men are witnessing the exact same event...So since two of them record Oswald beginning his description at the 2nd floor lunch room encounter then that is 2 to 1...But it really isn't true that Hosty isn't describing the same thing...Hosty is obviously also describing the same lunch room encounter starting point for Oswald locating himself when he opens with "He went to 2nd floor to get Coca Cola to eat with lunch", since it includes the exact same 2nd floor and Coke of both Fritz's and Bookhout's description...Hosty is stripping this part of any time reference because he knows it shows Oswald being in the 2nd floor lunch room too close to the shots...This is clearly the smarter more accurately detailed interpretation of Hosty's notes...Kamp sticks to the grossly over-simplified dumber version because he knows the more intelligent version shows the opposite of what he's trying to bamboozle you with...Alan also stays away from this and never answers it because he knows it exposes his lies...

Kamp is trying to deceive his readers by omitting important details in order to make them think Hosty's saying Oswald was outside watching the presidential parade was during the period Prayer Man was seen in the portal...It's not...Any truthful analysis of Hosty's notes will show they start at the exact same time period of the 2nd floor lunch room encounter and that is 70 to 90 seconds after the shots...All 3 reports mention Oswald spent time on the 1st floor after this, which adds another minute or more...What Kamp is hoping you don't notice is that any faithful interpretation of Hosty's notes will show Oswald could not possibly have gone outside until at least 3 minutes after the shots and that makes it impossible for Hosty's notes to be any valid evidence of Oswald being Prayer Man...What Oswald was describing (and don't think Kamp isn't aware of this) is his departing the Depository, which any responsible researcher knows happened out the back exit...If Oswald did say he went out front with Shelley he was lying in order to cover-up the fact he went out the back with Shelley's assistance...Something he couldn't reveal without giving the Depository game away...


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2566 on: February 12, 2019, 05:02:44 PM »
Alan is lying...Fritz's notes and Bookhout's report both repeat the same timeline of Oswald's statement starting at the 2nd floor lunch room encounter...All three then have Oswald going to the 1st floor and all 3 have Oswald going outside after going to the 1st floor...

Kamp is trying to pull a fast one by not informing the reader that all 3 men are witnessing the exact same event...So since two of them record Oswald beginning his description at the 2nd floor lunch room encounter then that is 2 to 1...But it really isn't true that Hosty isn't describing the same thing...Hosty is obviously also describing the same lunch room encounter starting point for Oswald locating himself when he opens with "He went to 2nd floor to get Coca Cola to eat with lunch", since it includes the exact same 2nd floor and Coke of both Fritz's and Bookhout's description...Hosty is stripping this part of any time reference because he knows it shows Oswald being in the 2nd floor lunch room too close to the shots...This is clearly the smarter more accurately detailed interpretation of Hosty's notes...Kamp sticks to the grossly over-simplified dumber version because he knows the more intelligent version shows the opposite of what he's trying to bamboozle you with...Alan also stays away from this and never answers it because he knows it exposes his lies...

Kamp is trying to deceive his readers by omitting important details in order to make them think Hosty's saying Oswald was outside watching the presidential parade was during the period Prayer Man was seen in the portal...It's not...Any truthful analysis of Hosty's notes will show they start at the exact same time period of the 2nd floor lunch room encounter and that is 70 to 90 seconds after the shots...All 3 reports mention Oswald spent time on the 1st floor after this, which adds another minute or more...What Kamp is hoping you don't notice is that any faithful interpretation of Hosty's notes will show Oswald could not possibly have gone outside until at least 3 minutes after the shots and that makes it impossible for Hosty's notes to be any valid evidence of Oswald being Prayer Man...What Oswald was describing (and don't think Kamp isn't aware of this) is his departing the Depository, which any responsible researcher knows happened out the back exit...If Oswald did say he went out front with Shelley he was lying in order to cover-up the fact he went out the back with Shelley's assistance...Something he couldn't reveal without giving the Depository game away...

Brian,

Why don't you tone it down a bit, and instead of accusing people of lying, just say they're wrong?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

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« Reply #2567 on: February 12, 2019, 05:16:18 PM »
Mr Stancak's effort was a fine one, but it wrongly assumed only one possible posture!

Speaking of 'highly creative attempts', how are your and Mr Doyle's 3D model of white-haired, obese, to-Mr-Frazier's-left Ms Stanton coming along? 

Wowie Zowie Bowie! :D

Alan shows an almost idiotic lack of understanding of the basic evidence and arguments here...Stancak admitted in public on the Education Forum that Oswald had to have a foot on the step in Darnell because otherwise Prayer Man was too short to be Oswald...He has been given two years to produce his fantasy cartoon graphics to prove this and failed on both attempts...Because there is a huge double standard in evidence allowed for the Prayer Man people Prayer Man advocates don't publicly admit that the only reason Stancak is creating cartoon graphic representations of the Prayer Man scene is because he can then manipulate the images to make them show what he wants...This is proven by the fact any comparison of Stancak's fantasy cartoons will show visible departures from the original photographic images...

In his latest offering Stancak tried to make up for his 3 inch too long leg that he forged in order to make his Oswald mannequin reach the step...I was the only one to notice that Stancak had cheated and stretched Oswald's right leg by 3 inches to make it reach the step...In the normal science world that is game over for Stancak at that point because credible scientific peer review would know that by failing to make Oswald's leg reach the step Stancak had refuted himself...He couldn't make accurately-dimensioned representations of Oswald reach the step so therefore that proves our case...

Stancak then tried again...This time he made his cartoon a direct Oswald-looking cartoon who looked like Oswald...Stancak compensated for his too long right leg by bending Oswald's left leg into a ridiculously awkard stance that no one would ever stand in - but it made the leg reach the step...If you can't make a square peg go in a round hole then just force it more I guess...However once again, I was the only one to notice that Stancak's bent leg obscured the radiator in the lobby by bending in front of it and blocking its view...One look at the Darnell frame and we can see the full unblocked radiator - which means Oswald's left leg is not bent in front of it - which in turns means Prayer Man is not standing with a leg on the step - which in turn means Prayer Man can't be Oswald (by Stancak's own admission)...I was also the only one to notice that Stancak's bent leg requires it to be illuminated by the sun as Stancak shows in his graphic...One look at the original Darnell frame shows Oswald's left leg in total shade - which again proves it isn't bent...Tell this to the Prayer Man people and they ignore it...

Meanwhile my photo forensic evidence of Sarah's obese features, wide women's hips, dress, buttons, purse, and exact same height as Stanton all go ignored by the Prayer Man hoaxers...
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2568 on: February 12, 2019, 07:17:25 PM »
Alan is lying..

Alan isn't lying. He's just a nutcase like you, who believes the idiotic things that he says. He's a zealot, through and through.

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« Reply #2569 on: February 12, 2019, 07:43:16 PM »
Alan isn't lying. He's just a nutcase like you, who believes the idiotic things that he says. He's a zealot, through and through.

A wise man sees the difference between someone who is making no attempt to honesty seek the facts, whose line of reasoning evades those facts as a practice, and someone who is making an honest mistake...Alan won't even answer a simple question like why did Hosty omit Shelley from his notes?

Tim never once addressed any of the provable evidence in my posts...

 

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