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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2570 on: February 12, 2019, 04:55:50 AM »
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Thank you for your ample response, Mr Nickerson!  Thumb1:

1. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman and Norman 'c(o)me in'. Captain Fritz, being Captain Fritz, inflated that into a claim he'd had lunch with them!

Fritz inflated it , did he? Ah, if only it were that easy for you. Sorry, but Fritz wasn't the only one to report that Oswald claimed to have ate his lunch with Jarman and Norman. Secret Service Agent Thomas Kelley also heard him say it. Kelley also asked him if he had viewed the parade and he said he had not.

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2. Mr Oswald never claimed to have been on the second floor at any time after the assassination. Bookhout has scrambled the chronology!

Hah! How do you know that Bookhout scrambled the chronology?

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3. Mr Harry D. Holmes is quite right: Mr Oswald claimed--consistently--to have had an exchange with a police officer at the front entrance!

Holmes was right? So, Oswald was upstairs when the shooting took place after all? Well, that was easy.

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4. Dontcha find it a rather curious koinkydink that Ms Arnold and Ms Stanton both claimed to have seen something directly corroborative of Mr Oswald's suppressed claim, viz., a pre-assassination visit to the 2nd floor lunchroom?

What are you talking about? Carolyn Arnold thought that she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse. She wasn't sure that it was Oswald and that it was a few minutes before 12:15. How could that in any way be corroborative of Oswald's "suppressed claim"?

Sarah Stanton never saw Oswald at all that day.

"I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day." -- From the signed sworn affidavit of Sarah Stanton, March 18,1964

How was it that she could have corroborated Oswald's "suppressed claim"?

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5. Bookhout has clearly changed the timeframe of Mr Oswald's claimed move out front. Hosty makes this abundantly clear: 'for the P. parade'. Bookhout's twisted version is a joke, as is anyone who falls for it!

How exactly does 'for the P. Parade' show that Bookhout changed the timeframe?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2570 on: February 12, 2019, 04:55:50 AM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2571 on: February 12, 2019, 05:00:07 AM »
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The bit about catching a man walking away from the stairway on the 3rd or 4th floor?  :D

Yeah, that bit.

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Mr Truly lied.
Mrs Reid, at the behest of her boss Mr Truly, lied.

The Baker-Oswald-Truly encounter happened at the front door.  Thumb1:

Like I said, if you want to see a real zealot, look in the mirror.

Everyone who made statements that conflict with your Prayer Man narrative lied? Several of them under oath? How many were there anyway? Let's make a list , shall we?

1) Marion Baker DPD

2) Roy Truly TSBD forman

3) Jeraldean Reid( AKA Mrs. Robert Reid TSBD employee

4) <a href="You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login">Will Fritz (DPD) Recorded</a> "I asked Oswald where he was when the Police officer stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the officer came in."

5) James Bookhout (FBI) -  "Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dalls polie officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca Cola from the soft drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr Truly was present and verified that he was an employee"

That's five. Anyone else?

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« Reply #2572 on: February 12, 2019, 05:31:12 AM »
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It has been established that this figure cannot possibly be any of the Depository employees known to have been standing in the doorway at the time of the shooting. Every single one of them has been ruled out. Not even the most frantic of efforts has gotten anywhere.

This is just patently false...Buell Frazier located Sarah Stanton in his 6th Floor Museum interview...When Debra Conway discussed my evidence with Frazier he agreed Prayer Man was Stanton...

The means by which the Prayer Man people ruled out Stanton was faulty and was typical of their wishful thinking cherry-picking...They used a quote that located Stanton when she first stepped out on the landing platform while ignoring witnessing of Stanton at the exact time of Darnell...

Alan is lying here because we had this out on Moricet's page...We argued it to the point I quoted Lovelady saying Sarah was next to him when he was over on the far right of the portal...Alan refused to admit what anyone could see in the Hughes film where you could see Lovelady over against that west wall...Alan lied and said it was Carl Jones even though anyone can see Lovelady's reddish shirt and white T-shirt on the man over by the west wall...Alan will do anything to deny the evidence that Prayer Man is Stanton so his word isn't very good as the Lovelady example shows...

We have already proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...Alan is not telling the truth when he says she has been ruled-out...

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« Reply #2572 on: February 12, 2019, 05:31:12 AM »

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« Reply #2573 on: February 12, 2019, 05:53:24 AM »
Interview with Fritz, Bookhout, and several other officers November 23 10:30PM...

Secret Service Thomas Kelly says he asked Oswald if he viewed the parade and Oswald said he had not...

Oswald volunteered this information so saying he was the victim of plotters trying to force a false lunch room hoax doesn't work...

This evidence further destroys any attempt to say Hosty's notes prove Oswald was on the front steps during the shots...(Even though I already disproved it by showing the context of all notes and reports on the 3:15 11-22 Fritz interrogation)...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2574 on: February 12, 2019, 08:53:38 AM »
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Dear Alan,

1) If Oswald wasn't Prayer Person, how exactly did "Fritz and Co." lie about what Oswald said?

2) His standing like that would necessitate spaying his legs out at awkward angles, and bending his "uphill" knee uncomfortably and holding it like that for about 30 seconds.  Also, he wouldn't have been able to pivot his body the way Prayer Person evidently did at some point between the end of the Wiegman clip and the beginning of the Darnell clip.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Answer to 1)!: They suppressed from all reports and testimony the supremely important fact that Mr Oswald had claimed to have gone out to watch the parade.

Answer to 2)!: Don't be silly, Mr Graves. That's only one of several possible postures-------do your homework, man, and read the earlier parts of this thread!  Thumb1:

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2574 on: February 12, 2019, 08:53:38 AM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2575 on: February 12, 2019, 09:15:23 AM »
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Fritz inflated it , did he? Ah, if only it were that easy for you. Sorry, but Fritz wasn't the only one to report that Oswald claimed to have ate his lunch with Jarman and Norman. Secret Service Agent Thomas Kelley also heard him say it. Kelley also asked him if he had viewed the parade and he said he had not.

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Hah! How do you know that Bookhout scrambled the chronology?

Holmes was right? So, Oswald was upstairs when the shooting took place after all? Well, that was easy.

What are you talking about? Carolyn Arnold thought that she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse. She wasn't sure that it was Oswald and that it was a few minutes before 12:15. How could that in any way be corroborative of Oswald's "suppressed claim"?

Sarah Stanton never saw Oswald at all that day.

"I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day." -- From the signed sworn affidavit of Sarah Stanton, March 18,1964

How was it that she could have corroborated Oswald's "suppressed claim"?

How exactly does 'for the P. Parade' show that Bookhout changed the timeframe?

1) Kelley, like Fritz and Bookhout and Hosty, lied. The Hosty note proves it. It's called a cover-up. Cover-ups tend to convince gullible souls like you!

2) We know Bookhout scrambled the chronology of what Mr Oswald said because Hosty tells us Mr Oswald said he went "outside to watch P. Parade" after his visit to the 2nd floor lunchroom. Note that Hosty doesn't write "Then went out front." or "Then went outside to see what happening." No! He makes it plain as plain can be by using the words watch and parade. Those two words bring your little house of cards down!

3) No, Mr Holmes compressed Mr Oswald's account: working upstairs--broke for lunch--downstairs to 2 for coke--downstairs to 1--cop encounter at front entrance. Thankfully, Hosty's note now tells us exactly what Mr Oswald said!

4) Ms Arnold told FBI about seeing Mr Oswald in 2nd floor lunchroom before assassination. They changed her story without telling her. It's called a cover-up. Cover-ups tend to convince gullible souls like you! Ms Stanton's sighting of Mr Oswald came to light last year: she didn't want trouble, so said nothing at the time. And now here we have proof that Mr Oswald claimed a pre-12:30 visit to the lunchroom. His claim chimes perfectly with Ms Arnold and Ms Stanton. Funny, that! But you won't accept the link because it's too painful to do. We understand, Mr Nickerson, truly we do!

5) See #2!  And look up the words watch and Parade in a dictionary! Thumb1:

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2576 on: February 12, 2019, 09:20:54 AM »
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Yeah, that bit.

Like I said, if you want to see a real zealot, look in the mirror.

Everyone who made statements that conflict with your Prayer Man narrative lied? Several of them under oath? How many were there anyway? Let's make a list , shall we?

1) Marion Baker DPD

2) Roy Truly TSBD forman

3) Jeraldean Reid( AKA Mrs. Robert Reid TSBD employee

4) <a href="You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login">Will Fritz (DPD) Recorded</a> "I asked Oswald where he was when the Police officer stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the officer came in."

5) James Bookhout (FBI) -  "Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dalls polie officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca Cola from the soft drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr Truly was present and verified that he was an employee"

That's five. Anyone else?

It's not a matter of opinion that all the interrogation reports and related testimonies lied about Mr Oswald's claimed whereabouts. The Hosty note has just proved it.

Add Hosty to the list, by the way. In Assignment Oswald he pretends Mr Oswald claimed to be in the domino room at the time of the P. Parade  ::)

But by all means continue along on your Gullible's Travels, Mr Nickerson! You're giving us a good laugh Thumb1:

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2577 on: February 12, 2019, 12:54:45 PM »
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Answer to 1)!: They suppressed from all reports and testimony the supremely important fact that Mr Oswald had claimed to have gone out to watch the parade.

Answer to 2)!: Don't be silly, Mr Graves. That's only one of several possible postures-------do your homework, man, and read the earlier parts of this thread!  Thumb1:

Dear Alan,

I guess you didn't follow Stancak's highly creative attempts at the EF to create a 3-D model in which Prayer Person could be "proved" to be 5' 9" inches tall, you know, just like that nice young man, Lee Harvey Oswald!

(Who was 5' 9.5", btw, and whose right leg was not three inches longer than his left).

Talk about standing unnaturally and uncomfortably!

Wowie Zowie!

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2578 on: February 12, 2019, 01:29:00 PM »
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Dear Alan,

I guess you didn't follow Stancak's highly creative attempts at the EF to create a 3-D model in which Prayer Person could be "proved" to be 5' 9" inches tall, you know, just like that nice young man, Lee Harvey Oswald!

(Who was 5' 9.5", btw, and whose right leg was not three inches longer than his left).

Talk about standing unnaturally and uncomfortably!

Wowie Zowie!

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Mr Stancak's effort was a fine one, but it wrongly assumed only one possible posture!

Speaking of 'highly creative attempts', how are your and Mr Doyle's 3D model of white-haired, obese, to-Mr-Frazier's-left Ms Stanton coming along? 

Wowie Zowie Bowie! :D

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2579 on: February 12, 2019, 02:44:43 PM »
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Mr Stancak's effort was a fine one, but it wrongly assumed only one possible posture!

Speaking of 'highly creative attempts', how are your and Mr Doyle's 3D model of white-haired, obese, to-Mr-Frazier's-left Ms Stanton coming along? 

Wowie Zowie Bowie! :D

Dear Alan,

So, you admit that Stancak's modeling was unsuccessful.

Good!

Now, what other postures for 5' 9.5" Oswald do you propose that might "work" better in Stancak's desperate modeling attempt to prove Oswald innocent?

Slouching against the wall in order to reduce his height by five or six inches?

Kneeling?

(LOL)

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)


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