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Online Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2630 on: February 12, 2019, 12:18:32 AM »
Yes, I do accept that. I also accept that Oswald claimed to have eaten his lunch with Junior Jarman and Harold Norman. I also accept that Oswald claimed to have been on the second floor at the time of the search of the building, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked if he worked there. I also accept that Oswald claimed that when he went downstairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that 'he is one of our employees'. Do you accept all of those?  If not, why not?

I don't know. I doubt it. Should they have been?

That's in the Hosty notes, is it? What Oswald said wasn't suppressed. Bookhout recorded it in one of his FD-302s when he wrote that Oswald went out to hang with Bill Shelley for five or ten minutes.

Thank you for your ample response, Mr Nickerson!  Thumb1:

1. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman and Norman 'c(o)me in'. Captain Fritz, being Captain Fritz, inflated that into a claim he'd had lunch with them!
2. Mr Oswald never claimed to have been on the second floor at any time after the assassination. Bookhout has scrambled the chronology!
3. Mr Harry D. Holmes is quite right: Mr Oswald claimed--consistently--to have had an exchange with a police officer at the front entrance!
4. Dontcha find it a rather curious koinkydink that Ms Arnold and Ms Stanton both claimed to have seen something directly corroborative of Mr Oswald's suppressed claim, viz., a pre-assassination visit to the 2nd floor lunchroom?
5. Bookhout has clearly changed the timeframe of Mr Oswald's claimed move out front. Hosty makes this abundantly clear: 'for the P. parade'. Bookhout's twisted version is a joke, as is anyone who falls for it!

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Online Alan Ford

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« Reply #2631 on: February 12, 2019, 12:22:41 AM »
Try reading the whole thing.

The bit about catching a man walking away from the stairway on the 3rd or 4th floor?  :D

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Then when you're done that, read the following:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340660/m1/1/

And then read the signed affidavit of Jeraldean Reid:

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pages/WH_Vol24_0121a.jpg

Mr Truly lied.
Mrs Reid, at the behest of her boss Mr Truly, lied.

The Baker-Oswald-Truly encounter happened at the front door.  Thumb1:

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« Reply #2632 on: February 12, 2019, 12:39:37 AM »
The Baker-Oswald-Truly encounter happened at the front door.  Thumb1:

That's nuts...Ford is ignoring that Darnell shows a group of people heading for the front door...Some people were already in the lobby by the time of Darnell...

Alan Ford is trying to say with a straight face that even though Darnell makes clear that at least 2 dozen people would have seen this encounter and had their attention stimulated by a cop confronting someone in a tense situation, that no one ever spoke of this serious event or leaked it years later...Alan is trying to convince us that men in black tracked down these witnesses and coerced them - or, according to Kamp, these people were afraid of being dropped from the social register for "associating" with Oswald...

This is the sheer lunacy that the Prayer Man theory is based on...

What Alan is really saying the loudest is that the Prayer Man people know the 2nd floor lunch room encounter scrubs their theory so they have to get rid of it by any crazy stretch...

Prayer Man is on the landing platform in Darnell...So he would have to run straight in to Baker as he dashed inside...
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« Reply #2633 on: February 12, 2019, 01:05:11 AM »
Now! It just so happens that the initial police line fed to the media was that Mr Oswald had been 'stopped' by a police officer at the front entrance.

And then! The line changed the following day to reflect the fact that a fictional 2nd floor lunchroom incident had been developed as a way of moving the real Oswald-Baker-Truly encounter away from the front entrance.

It worked! Oswald was deprived of his alibi, and conveniently lost his life before he had a chance to give his side in court.

Wanna know the most incredible part of this whole sorry saga? Even today it is actually possible to find 'researchers' who still believe the ridiculous lunchroom story! And only some of them are Lone Nutters, of whom it would be unfair to expect any better... ::)

Now!

There is an unidentified figure standing alone on the west side of the Depository entrance. This figure shows up both in the Wiegman film (= during the shooting) and in the Darnell film (=just after the shooting).

It has been established that this figure cannot possibly be any of the Depository employees known to have been standing in the doorway at the time of the shooting. Every single one of them has been ruled out. Not even the most frantic of efforts has gotten anywhere.

Up to now, the suggestion that this figure can therefore only be Mr Oswald has been met with a cry of, 'We have absolutely no reason to believe that Oswald was in that doorway. Not even Oswald himself said he was there!'

That cry has just been rendered null and void by 7 devastatingly unambiguous words in the Hosty note: 'Then went outside to watch P. Parade.'

Mr Oswald puts himself in the front doorway at the critical time, and so too do the Wiegman and Darnell films. He is Prayer Man.
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« Reply #2634 on: February 12, 2019, 01:20:34 AM »
Now!

There is an unidentified figure standing alone on the west side of the Depository entrance. This figure shows up both in the Wiegman film (= during the shooting) and in the Darnell film (=just after the shooting).

It has been established that this figure cannot possibly be any of the Depository employees known to have been standing in the doorway at the time of the shooting. Every single one of them has been ruled out. Not even the most frantic of efforts has gotten anywhere.

Up to now, the suggestion that this figure can therefore only be Mr Oswald has been met with a cry of, 'We have absolutely no reason to believe that Oswald was in that doorway. Not even Oswald himself said he was there!'

That cry has just been rendered null and void by 7 devastatingly unambiguous words in the Hosty note: 'Then went outside to watch P. Parade.'

Mr Oswald puts himself in the front doorway at the critical time, and so too do the Wiegman and Darnell films. He is Prayer Man.

Dear Alan,

Just because that's what he said he did doesn't mean that's what he did.

Oswald was 5' 9.5" tall.

The only way he was Prayer Man in the photographic images is if he was standing with one foot on the top step, and with the other foot on the "landing," and even that doesn't  work very well.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

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« Reply #2634 on: February 12, 2019, 01:20:34 AM »


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2635 on: February 12, 2019, 01:29:56 AM »
Dear Alan,

Just because that's what he said he did doesn't mean that's what he did.

Like I say, the goalposts have shifted in response to this revelation!

Here's the point: if that's what Mr Oswald said, then it proves that Fritz and co. lied about what he said.

Now ask yourself the question: why would they lie if Mr Oswald's claimed alibi had nothing to it?

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Oswald was 5' 9.5" tall.

The only way he was Prayer Man in the photographic images is if he was standing with one foot on the top step, and with the other foot on the "landing," and even that doesn't  work very well.

Why doesn't it work very well? :-\

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« Reply #2636 on: February 12, 2019, 01:51:03 AM »
Like I say, the goalposts have shifted in response to this revelation!

Here's the point: if that's what Mr Oswald said, then it proves that Fritz and co. lied about what he said.

Now ask yourself the question: why would they lie if Mr Oswald's claimed alibi had nothing to it?

Why doesn't it work very well? :-\

Dear Alan,

1) If Oswald wasn't Prayer Person, how exactly did "Fritz and Co." lie about what Oswald said?

2) His standing like that would necessitate spaying his legs out at awkward angles, and bending his "uphill" knee uncomfortably and holding it like that for about 30 seconds.  Also, he wouldn't have been able to pivot his body the way Prayer Person evidently did at some point between the end of the Wiegman clip and the beginning of the Darnell clip.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2637 on: February 12, 2019, 04:55:50 AM »
Thank you for your ample response, Mr Nickerson!  Thumb1:

1. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman and Norman 'c(o)me in'. Captain Fritz, being Captain Fritz, inflated that into a claim he'd had lunch with them!

Fritz inflated it , did he? Ah, if only it were that easy for you. Sorry, but Fritz wasn't the only one to report that Oswald claimed to have ate his lunch with Jarman and Norman. Secret Service Agent Thomas Kelley also heard him say it. Kelley also asked him if he had viewed the parade and he said he had not.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29105#relPageId=1&tab=page

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2. Mr Oswald never claimed to have been on the second floor at any time after the assassination. Bookhout has scrambled the chronology!

Hah! How do you know that Bookhout scrambled the chronology?

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3. Mr Harry D. Holmes is quite right: Mr Oswald claimed--consistently--to have had an exchange with a police officer at the front entrance!

Holmes was right? So, Oswald was upstairs when the shooting took place after all? Well, that was easy.

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4. Dontcha find it a rather curious koinkydink that Ms Arnold and Ms Stanton both claimed to have seen something directly corroborative of Mr Oswald's suppressed claim, viz., a pre-assassination visit to the 2nd floor lunchroom?

What are you talking about? Carolyn Arnold thought that she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse. She wasn't sure that it was Oswald and that it was a few minutes before 12:15. How could that in any way be corroborative of Oswald's "suppressed claim"?

Sarah Stanton never saw Oswald at all that day.

"I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day." -- From the signed sworn affidavit of Sarah Stanton, March 18,1964

How was it that she could have corroborated Oswald's "suppressed claim"?

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5. Bookhout has clearly changed the timeframe of Mr Oswald's claimed move out front. Hosty makes this abundantly clear: 'for the P. parade'. Bookhout's twisted version is a joke, as is anyone who falls for it!

How exactly does 'for the P. Parade' show that Bookhout changed the timeframe?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2638 on: February 12, 2019, 05:00:07 AM »
The bit about catching a man walking away from the stairway on the 3rd or 4th floor?  :D

Yeah, that bit.

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Mr Truly lied.
Mrs Reid, at the behest of her boss Mr Truly, lied.

The Baker-Oswald-Truly encounter happened at the front door.  Thumb1:

Like I said, if you want to see a real zealot, look in the mirror.

Everyone who made statements that conflict with your Prayer Man narrative lied? Several of them under oath? How many were there anyway? Let's make a list , shall we?

1) Marion Baker DPD

2) Roy Truly TSBD forman

3) Jeraldean Reid( AKA Mrs. Robert Reid TSBD employee

4) Will Fritz (DPD) Recorded "I asked Oswald where he was when the Police officer stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the officer came in."

5) James Bookhout (FBI) -  "Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dalls polie officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca Cola from the soft drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr Truly was present and verified that he was an employee"

That's five. Anyone else?

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« Reply #2639 on: February 12, 2019, 05:31:12 AM »
It has been established that this figure cannot possibly be any of the Depository employees known to have been standing in the doorway at the time of the shooting. Every single one of them has been ruled out. Not even the most frantic of efforts has gotten anywhere.

This is just patently false...Buell Frazier located Sarah Stanton in his 6th Floor Museum interview...When Debra Conway discussed my evidence with Frazier he agreed Prayer Man was Stanton...

The means by which the Prayer Man people ruled out Stanton was faulty and was typical of their wishful thinking cherry-picking...They used a quote that located Stanton when she first stepped out on the landing platform while ignoring witnessing of Stanton at the exact time of Darnell...

Alan is lying here because we had this out on Moricet's page...We argued it to the point I quoted Lovelady saying Sarah was next to him when he was over on the far right of the portal...Alan refused to admit what anyone could see in the Hughes film where you could see Lovelady over against that west wall...Alan lied and said it was Carl Jones even though anyone can see Lovelady's reddish shirt and white T-shirt on the man over by the west wall...Alan will do anything to deny the evidence that Prayer Man is Stanton so his word isn't very good as the Lovelady example shows...

We have already proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...Alan is not telling the truth when he says she has been ruled-out...

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« Reply #2639 on: February 12, 2019, 05:31:12 AM »