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Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #2570 on: February 11, 2019, 09:40:33 PM »
Alan is not telling the truth...Hosty's notes are clearly in less precise language than Bookhout and Fritz who include more details than Hosty...Bookhout and Fritz include the details of Baker's lunch room encounter with Oswald as well as the mention of Shelley...Alan is not telling the truth and is describing the situation backwards which is typical of Kamp and his followers...And Alan ignores the incriminating reason why Hosty is less precise...

If Alan had more fidelity to credible analysis he would realize Hosty's omitting Baker from the lunchroom encounter is a sign of its real-ness because Hosty is trying to avoid committing himself to a definite time that places Oswald in the lunch room...Hosty knows if he mentions Baker and the timing of the lunch room encounter he'll lock himself in to a time that places Oswald too close to the lunch room at the time of the shots, so he avoids mentioning it...Counter to what Alan contends Hosty is much less clear and the reason so is highly incriminating and backs our evidence...

Once you realize Hosty is avoiding telling when Oswald went for that Coke then you realize he is trying not to make people aware that it was before the shots, as even Alan admits...The question then arises of when Oswald went up for that Coke and it becomes clear it was well before the shooting and that he was in the lunch room from 12:25 when Carolyn Arnold saw him to 12:31 when Baker & Truly confronted him...

Alan is trying to avoid the obvious that ALL accounts of Fritz's interview start at the lunch room encounter...Counter to what Alan assures us, Hosty is actually the least clear and Bookhout and Fritz both provide the detail of Baker and the timing of the lunch room encounter...

Once you acknowledge that the sequence seen in Hosty's notes has the lunch room encounter as its starting point then the "Went outside to watch the presidential parade" is definitely over 3 minutes after the period of the Darnell Prayer Man image and can't possibly be used as evidence for Oswald being outside at the time of the shots...

The Prayer Man people just ignore Hosty in his book where he details Oswald saying he was in the 1st floor lunch room during the shots...This is the worst sort of dishonest cherry-picking designed to make the evidence say what they want to hear no matter how badly they mangle context...

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« Reply #2571 on: February 11, 2019, 09:42:32 PM »
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Friends, one cannot but be impressed at the fact that, when the Prayer Man theory was developed over 5 years ago, a bold double inference was made from the available evidence that Mr Oswald had claimed in custody
A) to have gone to the 2nd floor lunchroom for a coke before (not after) the motorcade
B) to have gone out front for the motorcade.

And now we get this stunning confirmation, in the clearest language possible, of that bold double inference:



Tsk tsk. A terrible, terrible week for the anti-Prayer Man zealots  :'(

Alan,

Prayer Man advocates discount the sworn testimonies of Marion Baker, Roy Truly and Jeraldean Reid. They have three or four others committing perjury as well. Methinks your use of "zealots" is misdirected. If you want to see a real zealot, look in the mirror.

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« Reply #2572 on: February 11, 2019, 09:46:25 PM »
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Quite a great new find. Hosty confirms that Oswald is Prayer Man.

How so? 

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« Reply #2573 on: February 11, 2019, 09:47:58 PM »
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Alan,

Prayer Man advocates discount the sworn testimonies of Marion Baker, Roy Truly and Jeraldean Reid. They have three or four others committing perjury as well. Methinks your use of "zealots" is misdirected. If you want to see a real zealot, look in the mirror.

Hello Mr Nickerson!

Do you accept that Mr Oswald did in fact claim to have
A) visited the 2nd floor lunchroom before the motorcade
B) gone out front to watch the motorcade?

If not, how do you explain this from Agent Hosty?



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« Reply #2574 on: February 11, 2019, 09:52:26 PM »
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Friends, one cannot but be impressed at the fact that, when the Prayer Man theory was developed over 5 years ago, a bold double inference was made from the available evidence that Mr Oswald had claimed in custody
A) to have gone to the 2nd floor lunchroom for a coke before (not after) the motorcade
B) to have gone out front for the motorcade.

And now we get this stunning confirmation, in the clearest language possible, of that bold double inference:



Tsk tsk. A terrible, terrible week for the anti-Prayer Man zealots  :'(

The highlighted text is not a confirmation of anything.  It's already well established (confirmed) that Oswald was a liar. Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies.

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« Reply #2575 on: February 11, 2019, 09:57:29 PM »
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The highlighted text is not a confirmation of anything.  It's already well established (confirmed) that Oswald was a liar. Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies.

Tim,

Well put.

--Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

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« Reply #2576 on: February 11, 2019, 10:00:28 PM »
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The highlighted text is not a confirmation of anything.  It's already well established (confirmed) that Oswald was a liar. Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies.

Aha! 'Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies'. So you accept that Agent Hosty's note accurately reflects what the evil Mr Oswald had been claiming. This means you now accept that the evil Mr Oswald did in fact claim to have been out front after all.

Good on you, Mr Nickerson-------you're making progress  Thumb1:

Now! Let's look at the evil Mr Oswald's 'lies', shall we?

1. I visited the 2nd floor lunchroom before the assassination.

Question! Were Carolyn Arnold and Sarah Stanton privy to the Hosty note that Bart Kamp has just uncovered?

2. I went out front to watch the motorcade.

Question! Why did Messrs Hosty, Bookhout, Fritz & co. suppress this 'lie' in their official reports and testimony?

Thanking you in advance for your reply, Mr Nickerson  Thumb1:

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« Reply #2577 on: February 11, 2019, 10:03:32 PM »
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The highlighted text is not a confirmation of anything.  It's already well established (confirmed) that Oswald was a liar. Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies.

That's an unsophisticated, grossly-oversimplified explanation of Hosty's notes...If you read my posts you'll see a more correct interpretation of what they really mean and what they avoid...I see Nickerson did not respond to what I wrote...

Oswald was not lying about being in the 2nd floor lunch room with a Coke...Nickerson himself said Baker witnessed Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room...Now all Nickerson needs to do is also acknowledge Carolyn Arnold did too and that Oswald was in that same place in between during the shooting...

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« Reply #2578 on: February 11, 2019, 10:15:58 PM »
Friends, here's Officer Marrion L. Baker's first-day affidavit:



The underlined sentences tell us what happened, viz.---------------
A) Officer Baker rushed up the steps
B) He saw several people standing around, one of whom was Mr Oswald
C) Just as he was asking Mr Oswald if he worked there (= because he needed someone familiar with the place to show him to the stairs),
D) Mr Truly stepped up and offered to show Officer Baker the way.

No lunchroom encounter!

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« Reply #2579 on: February 11, 2019, 10:28:20 PM »
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PRAYER-MAN-IS-OSWALD ADVOCATE: Prayer Man is Oswald.

LONE NUTTER: Are you nuts? Not even Oswald said he went out front!

PRAYER-MAN-IS-OSWALD ADVOCATE: There's lots of evidence pointing to the contrary.

LONE NUTTER: Are you nuts? There's no evidence to the contrary!

PRAYER-MAN-IS-OSWALD ADVOCATE: What about Harry Holmes's WC testimony, and...

LONE NUTTER: You call that evidence? Ha ha ha. Nothing to see here!

PRAYER-MAN-IS-OSWALD ADVOCATE: What if we were to find hard evidence that Oswald said he went out front?

LONE NUTTER: So you admit you have no hard evidence! Ha ha ha. Try harder!

PRAYER-MAN-IS-OSWALD ADVOCATE: Actually, we have just uncovered a note written by Agent James Hosty which states that Oswald said he went out front.

LONE NUTTER: Are you nuts? Oswald was a liar!

PRAYER-MAN-IS-OSWALD ADVOCATE: But the Hosty note proves that Captain Fritz and co. lied about what he said in custody.

LONE NUTTER: Are you nuts? Oswald was a liar!

PRAYER-MAN-IS-OSWALD ADVOCATE: But the Hosty note corroborates Carolyn Arnold and Sarah Stanton's sighting of Oswald in the lunchroom before the assassination.

LONE NUTTER: Are you nuts? There's absolutely no photographic or film evidence of Oswald in the lunchroom before the assassination. Ha ha ha. Try harder!

Harry Holmes mentioned Oswald saying that when he heard a commotion he went downstairs to see what was going on...The correct interpretation of Holmes, that Alan has already been repeatedly told of, is that Holmes is describing Oswald coming down to the Depository lobby from the lunch room after Baker confronted him in the 2nd floor lunch room...Holmes made the mistake of conflating the lunch room encounter with the lobby stop...They are two separate events...In any case Oswald's wording that he came downstairs to the lobby forces him to be in the 2nd floor lunch room prior and not outside as Prayer Man on the front steps...

The rest of what Alan writes is pure BS...Hosty's notes do not prove Fritz was lying...I'm not going to type it all out again but if you read my posts here they explain the reason...

I take particular exception to Alan using my discovery of Sarah Stanton's witnessing for such dishonest ends...

Richard Gilbride also needs mention because of his work on the subject...
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