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Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #2550 on: February 11, 2019, 04:54:01 AM »
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Looks like it's all over, folks. The newly uncovered James Hosty note----------written on the back of a DPD affidavit paper----------confirms exactly what the LHO=PrayerMan people have been saying all along:

O[swald] stated he was present for work at TBD on the morning of 11/22 and at noon went to lunch. He went to 2nd floor to get Coca Cola to eat with lunch and returned to 1st floor to eat lunch. Then went outside to watch P[residential] Parade.

Mr Oswald is Prayer Man.

That's a false interpretation of what Hosty's notes are saying...Hosty is observing an interview of Oswald by Fritz...If you look at the Bookhout report and Fritz's notes both of those recordings are of the same event Hosty is covering...Both Bookhout and Fritz give identical descriptions of Baker's confrontation of Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room as their opening item...What this does is establish that the description's chronological order starts at the lunch room encounter...Because both Bookhout and Fritz describe a Coke and the location being the 2nd floor lunch room this proves that Hosty covers this same event by saying "He went to 2nd floor to get a Coca Cola to eat with lunch"...Remember, Hosty is describing the same interview as Bookhout and Fritz...

Next, both Bookhout and Fritz describe Oswald going down to the 1st floor after the encounter...Bookhout writes "Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room"...Fritz covers it by saying "To 1st floor had lunch""...And Hosty says "And returned to 1st floor to eat lunch"...

Finally Bookhout finishes by saying "He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelley"...Fritz writes: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"...And Hosty changes it to "Then went outside to watch presidential parade"...

It is clear that these men are describing the same things not only because they obviously match up so well but also because all three are observing the same event...Any researcher worth his salt who isn't trying to force Prayer Man to be Oswald would agree that all three descriptions have the lunch room encounter as their starting point...What that means is we have a chronological marker that establishes the timing of the events to have started at the lunch room encounter 90 seconds after the last shot...

We can therefore assume that the mention of Oswald going from there to the 1st floor happens after the lunch room encounter...

And we can equally assume that Oswald's going out with Shelley on the front steps happens after the visit to the Domino Room...

So what we have established here is that by Oswald's descriptions in his interrogation by Fritz we can safely assume any departure from the Depository happened at least 3 minutes or more after the scene in which Prayer Man can be seen in the Darnell film...

It is clear that Hosty, probably for reasons of concealing Shelley's Intel status and facility to Oswald's departure out the rear exit, decided not to include the clearly spelled-out detail of Shelley being outside with Oswald that was told of by both Bookhout and Fritz...

The Prayer Man people hope people don't notice that the man who they are deliberately misquoting failed to mention Shelley being out front like Bookhout and Fritz...They urge us to believe a clearly misrepresented, out of context quote from Hosty but then ignore that Hosty fails to mention their previous claim to fame that Oswald went "out with Shelley in front"...Pretty strange considering all three men were witnessing the same event and two of them managed to include this mention... 

The Prayer Man group wants you to ignore Carolyn Arnold who saw Oswald in that same 2nd floor lunch room at 12:25...For Hosty to be correct, according to their version, Oswald would have to go from Carolyn Arnold's sighting in the 2nd floor lunch room down to the Domino Room, and then back up to the 2nd floor lunch room to get the Coke, and then back down to the 1st floor, and then back up to the 2nd floor lunch room for the encounter with Baker... Sarah Stanton saw Oswald with a Coke so that is the first Coke...If Oswald went back from the Domino Room to the 2nd floor lunch room after that then that would be the second Coke in 5 minutes...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2551 on: February 11, 2019, 05:00:26 AM »
As I've already stated, no self-respecting researcher will deny the bombshell importance of these words from James Hosty:

O[swald] stated he was present for work at TBD on the morning of 11/22 and at noon went to lunch. He went to 2nd floor to get Coca Cola to eat with lunch and returned to 1st floor to eat lunch. Then went outside to watch P[residential] Parade.


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« Reply #2552 on: February 11, 2019, 05:08:56 AM »
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Friends! Anyone who has been following this issue without bias will understand the scale of the breakthrough that James Hosty's note represents. It proves beyond any question that the interrogation report filed under the sole name of James W. Bookhout was a despicable lie. This report deprived Mr Oswald of his alibi by distorting completely what he had been telling Captain Fritz in custody.

Actually if you go to the Bookhout, Fritz, and Hosty descriptions they are all noticeably similar...All three start at the lunch room encounter in the 2nd floor lunch room and mention a Coke...All three then describe Oswald saying he went downstairs to the 1st floor...And all three then have Oswald going outside...

The only reason Hosty is different than Bookhout and Fritz is because he is omitting the detail of the lunch room encounter because he knows it leads to knowledge of Oswald being in the lunch room during the shots...Hosty also omits mention of Shelley because he is avoiding drawing curiosity over his doings...Hosty is aware Shelley is an Intel insider who helped Oswald out the rear exit so he drops mention of him in order not to draw attention to him and his real doings...

Alan makes a false statement...Bookhout did not deny what Oswald told Fritz and if you look at Bookhout's report he identically repeats Oswald's claim that he went out front with Bill Shelley...It is Hosty who fails to mention this even though they are observing the same interview...

Sorry Alan but that is dishonestly oversimplified...You won't get away with it for the reasons I posted and you foolishly ignored...
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« Reply #2553 on: February 11, 2019, 06:16:33 AM »
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Friends! Anyone who has been following this issue without bias will understand the scale of the breakthrough that James Hosty's note represents. It proves beyond any question that the interrogation report filed under the sole name of James W. Bookhout was a despicable lie. This report deprived Mr Oswald of his alibi by distorting completely what he had been telling Captain Fritz in custody.

Here's the first interrogation report to which Bookhout put his name. It's a joint report written with James Hosty:

Oswald stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunch room; however he went to the  second floor where the coca cola machine is located and obtained a bottle of coca cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building.

Here's the Hosty note that has just come to light:

O[swald] stated he was present for work at TBD on the morning of 11/22 and at noon went to lunch. He went to 2nd floor to get Coca Cola to eat with lunch and returned to 1st floor to eat lunch. Then went outside to watch P[residential] Parade.

Now! The thing to note about both of the above is that they are saying the same thing. But with this teeny weeny difference: the Hosty note lays it all out plain and simple, whereas the joint Bookhout/Hosty report uses weasel words to create some ambiguity.

Now!! Just take a look at what happens to Mr Oswald's reported words in the subsequent Bookhout-alone report. It's quite something...

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employee?s lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly.

This report was written to hide some simple facts, viz.--------------
1. Mr Oswald visited the second-floor lunchroom before the assassination (Ms Carolyn Arnold and Ms Sarah Stanton are 100% vindicated!)
2. Mr Oswald took his Coca Cola down to the first floor and went out front to watch the parade
3. There was no second-floor lunchroom encounter with Officer Baker and Mr Truly.

The mantra of the Anyone-But-LHO-As-Prayer-Person crowd-----------
Oh but that's crazy, Oswald himself never claimed to have gone out to see the President!
-----------can no longer be taken seriously by any self-respecting researcher.

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There has always been a great oddity contained in the original Hosty/Bookhout interrogation report:

"Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building."

Sheesh, guys, maybe you could give us some idea of, like, where exactly on the first damn floor he's claiming to have been. Cos, ya know, he is the prime suspect in the assassination and all! Is a bit of detail too much to ask for?

The newly discovered (by Mr. Bart Kamp) handwritten note from James Hosty both gives us the detail we were looking for, and explains why there was no way in hell it was ever going to find its way into an official printed report:

"Then went outside to watch P[residential] Parade."

The game's well and truly up now. Only fools and knaves will continue to cling on to the discredited lunchroom encounter garbage and its attendant idiocies. And only fools and knaves will continue to deny the significance of the figure standing on the west side of the doorway in the Wiegman and Darnell films. It's none other than Mr Oswald.

The arc of the moral universe may be long, friends, but it really does bend toward justice.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2553 on: February 11, 2019, 06:16:33 AM »

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« Reply #2554 on: February 11, 2019, 06:59:01 AM »
That isn't at all an accurate interpretation of the Hosty notes and Alan Ford is contemptuously ignoring the reasons why just like his mentor Kamp...

The Prayer Man people are fools because the scan will show Sarah Stanton as being the person these evidence fantasists are calling Oswald...Davidson already proved it but they ignored it...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2555 on: February 11, 2019, 02:08:03 PM »
Quite a great new find. Hosty confirms that Oswald is Prayer Man. Doyle can rant and rave all he wants but it does not change the evidence one bit.

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« Reply #2556 on: February 11, 2019, 03:15:27 PM »
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Quite a great new find. Hosty confirms that Oswald is Prayer Man. Doyle can rant and rave all he wants but it does not change the evidence one bit.

Fred

If only...... then, history would have to be re-written.  Got hope?  Nope.  The evidence describes otherwise, but that's just me, see.  It DEFINITELY was some dude taking pictures with a camera.  But what do I know?  I just see a man holding up a (camera?).  I'm sure the original film will conclude it was NOT Sarah, as Mr. Doyle postulates.  But again...... this is all..... Pareidoylia (should we copyright that word?).  This is just an opinion, not a twelve-paragraph analysis.  So there.

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« Reply #2557 on: February 11, 2019, 03:51:56 PM »
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Quite a great new find. Hosty confirms that Oswald is Prayer Man. Doyle can rant and rave all he wants but it does not change the evidence one bit.

Fred

Quite right, Mr Clements! The pathetic bloviations of the usual suspects should not distract us from the magnitude of this discovery.

1. We now know with 100% certainty that Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he went out front for the motorcade.
2. We also therefore know with 100% certainty that Fritz, Bookhout, Hosty, Kelley and friends suppressed this explosive claim in their official reports and testimony.
3. We also know with 100% certainty that Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he visited the 2nd-floor lunchroom before the assassination.
4. We also therefore know with 100% certainty that this claim, along with Ms Carolyn Arnold's corroboration of it, was suppressed.

Bottom line:
--------------Mr Oswald told the truth about his movements around the time of the assassination.
--------------Accordingly, Captain Fritz and friends lied.

As has been recognised for several years now by those with eyes to see, the only person who didn't completely suppress the alibi which Mr Oswald supplied to his interrogators was Postal Inspector, Mr Harry D. Holmes.

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« Reply #2558 on: February 11, 2019, 04:17:25 PM »
Obviously some people are bullet heads and there is no point posting because no matter how much evidence you post they ignore it and stick to their own uncredible thoughts...It is highly damaging to the CT side to have a large percentage of members who have no analysis skills and simply grab on to a theory because it sounds good...These people like the idea of Oswald being out front so they stick to it and ignore all evidence that shows otherwise...

A few years ago Chris Davidson enhanced the steady frame from the Wiegman film with modern digital photo tech...He got challenged on his metadata by persons who thought he would not be able to produce it...When he produced it and posted it at the Education Forum and proved he did nothing to alter the film and only used simple brightness and contrast adjustments to bring out what the human eye could not see the opposition did not honestly acknowledge it...3 years ago Chris Davidson proved Prayer Man was a woman...The Prayer Man people are pretending that didn't happen but they are fools because they are only digging their own graves as far as credibility once we get the 6th Floor Museum copy that will only prove it more...The Prayer Man people ignore conclusive proof and keep trying to make Prayer Man Oswald no matter what they are shown...Because they are led by Bart Kamp they delude themselves that the Hosty notes are somehow going to make this go away and not apply to them...Their websites ban anyone who dares mention this factual history...

The posters on the Education Forum exist under the deliberate delusion that Debra Conway did not show Buell Frazier my arguments and Buell Frazier did not agree with her that Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton...That is a mentally unhealthy non-reality that the Prayer Man people deliberately conduct in order to only hear what they want to hear and ignore everything else - including Frazier himself...

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« Reply #2559 on: February 11, 2019, 04:18:29 PM »
Alan Ford will not answer why, if Hosty is the better source, does he not mention Shelley like Bookhout and Fritz do?

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