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« Reply #2530 on: February 09, 2019, 08:33:15 PM »
And right on cue Jim DiEugenio gives it his full unquestioning support while disengaging his usual intelligent criticisms - despite its obvious fatal flaws:

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That is really a good find by Malcolm. Nice one fishing it out Bart.

This seems to be from hand notes before they were transmitted and typed into a report. Therefore its the closest thing we have to a tape of Oswald in detention.

BTW, how many notations do we have now depicting him as being outside? Is it three?

Andrej: yes, it would seem that Hosty, to be kind, forgot his notes.

Keep in mind these liars have been saying that Fritz's notes were from days later...When they themselves show proof that they were from 3:15 on friday, less than 3 hours after the event, they ignore it...

Stancak quotes Hosty's book on the Education Forum...Oswald clearly says he was in the Domino Room during the shots...He then tells Fritz that after he heard the president had been shot he left the Depository...This context makes clear that Oswald wasn't out watching the motorcade on the steps, but all the Prayer Man true believers ignore it and only focus on their wishful interpretation of Hosty...It is good that Stancak posted this because it makes you wonder if Oswald heard that the president was shot from Mrs Reid? Kamp, DiEugenio, and the rest of the evidence-wishcasters pretend not to notice that Oswald tells of going to the bus in this interview (that they cherry-pick what they like to spin while ignoring that which seriously contradicts them)...It seems Josephs is the only one to diplomatically call bullshit on this latest Kamp turd on the rug...

Also in Hosty's book, as quoted by Stancak, a smart researcher will see the linguistic forensics of Oswald stuttering and saying "Ah, well, yeah" when asked if he was in the 2nd floor lunch room...Those verbal linguistic hesitations are a sure sign that Oswald was in that 2nd floor lunch room during the shots...Kamp and his ugly partner DiEugenio ignore that Ball asked Fritz if Oswald went up to get the Coke and Fritz replied:

Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

Oswald's hesitation and Fritz's refusal to bite tell a smart researcher that Oswald was in the lunch room during the shots...
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« Reply #2531 on: February 10, 2019, 01:32:48 AM »
The Prayer Man crazies are up to their old tricks and playing dumb again...

What the new note from Hosty is showing is that Hosty is observing an interview that is being done by Fritz and not by Hosty...The Prayer Man cultists are staying away from admitting this because they are trying to fool the public into thinking Hosty is doing the interview and getting information that is different from Fritz's interview...

What the Prayer Man people are doing are playing dumb and pretending they don't understand that Hosty is observing and recording the same interview that Fritz had with Oswald...Therefore the context is the same information that Fritz wrote in his notes is what Hosty is being exposed to...

This is proven by the fact that if you overlap Hosty's notes on to Fritz's they match...

It is plainly apparent that Hosty is condensing Fritz's notes if you compare them...Hosty converts "Claims 2nd floor Coke when Officer came in" to "Went to 2nd floor to get Coca Cola to eat with lunch"..."To 1st floor had lunch" is converted to "And returned to 1st floor to eat lunch"... Finally, "Out with Bill Shelley in front" is converted to "Then went outside to watch P. Parade"...

If you honestly interpret Hosty's notes he is witnessing the same interview and cutting corners from the detail provided in Fritz's notes...Hosty is closer to the federal cover-up so his notes trim incriminating details like the fact Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room when Baker came in...What the Prayer Man people ignore is what Hosty omits and why says more than anything... 

1)  Both Hosty's and Fritz's notes indicate Fritz interviewed Oswald at 3:15 on friday...The Prayer Man people quietly avoid admitting that they have been saying Fritz's notes were made-up on tuesday and fabricated out of thin air when the official story was worked out...Hosty is a corroborating witness so that makes Fritz's notes real and confirmed...When Kamp wants to rip Hosty out of context and try to force him to be saying Oswald was out front during the motorcade all of a sudden Fritz's interview is real and they suddenly have no problem with its authenticity and actually having occurred...When it proves Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots it is only then they question its legitimacy...And they have Jim D stamping everything they do with approval and suddenly losing his well-known insightful criticisms...

2)  There is no doubt that the strict parallel between Hosty's notes and Fritz's means that Hosty's having Oswald going out to watch the presidential parade is after the 2nd floor lunch room encounter when Baker went in...The Prayer Man people are so desperate to force their theory that they miss serious clues in Hosty's coverage...Hosty omits Oswald going out front with Shelley because Hosty is FBI and knows Shelley is an Intel inside operator at the Depository...As usual, Jim Mr Magoo DiEugenio misses this highly important clue...Hosty knows there are serious issues with Shelley and Oswald's exit so he incriminates himself by getting caught covering Fritz's original version up and converting it to Oswald just going outside to watch the parade...Hosty is much more lax with the chronology because he is more attuned to FBI's motives in its reporting and what they need to blurr...However, line up Hosty's coverage of the same material and chronology in Fritz's more accurate notes with his own and he has Oswald going out to watch the parade long after JFK has passed the building...It is obvious the Kamp-led Prayer Man mob are avoiding recognizing this more than obvious context of Hosty's notes...

As Kamp always does, he is using slight of hand and carnival barking to offer out of context inferior material as being the superior defining material...He is trying to make Fritz obedient and subservient to Hosty when in fact Fritz is the one doing the interview...He is trying to ignore Hosty's much more dubious motives in under-reporting what Fritz heard Oswald actually say while also ignoring Fritz's local accuracy due to lack of greater motives...Since Hosty has not accurately reported what Fritz managed to more accurately record therefore we have to refer to Fritz's notes as the more superior...And once we do we are back to where we were before...That Fritz's notes were chronological and clearly showed that the "Out with Shelley in front" came after Baker had confronted Oswald with a Coke in the lunch room...Don't forget that Kamp and DiEugenio are dishonestly ignoring my discovery of Sarah Stanton seeing Oswald with a Coke by the 2nd floor lunch room staircase...That Coke backs-up the Coke Oswald told Fritz about...Kamp and DiEugenio also dishonestly ignore that Coke too...

Because of this Prayer Man retardation of the evidence we are not allowed to realize that the reverse is true and Hosty's notes are keen new evidence that Hosty was covering up witnessings of Oswald being in the 2nd floor lunch room like they did with Stanton and Carolyn Arnold...Kamp is so dumb that he needs this spelled-out to him...What this actually is is confirmation and incriminating evidence that FBI was actively removing references to Oswald being in the 2nd floor lunch room and that is why Hosty did not accurately translate what Oswald told Fritz...If Kamp were smarter he would also realize that is why these notes have not come out before (duh)...

 

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« Reply #2531 on: February 10, 2019, 01:32:48 AM »

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« Reply #2532 on: February 10, 2019, 05:45:39 AM »
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The reason why no one said anything about Oz being on the steps, hmmmm let's see.

-Oswald is brought in as a cop killer, the DPD don't even talk about him killing JFK until the 23rd. So hmmmmmmm would any co-worker associate himself with the worker who only arrived 4-5 weeks prior. Doubt it.

-Lovelady, weapons charge, paid off by V.P. Ochus Campbell. Where would your  loyalty be.

-Joe Molina, harsh treatment from Dallas finest, check the list of people who went down to his place at 2 am and tossed it. And make him stay at City Hall for 6/7 hrs the day after.

-Buell Frazier, picked up harshly from hospital and shoved a confession in front of his face as an accomplice by good ol' Will (98% clearance rate....).....initimidation hell no. Not at all according to our furry friend while dragging his rear over the EF carpet one more time.

-The few women that did talk were made sure not to divulge anything about that newbie who had only been around for one month and who was a commie defector. Risk your job for someone like that....doubt it.

-Shelley, who lied his arse off during his WC testimony, even Von Pein cannot go around the observation that Shelley and Lovelady said they stood longer on those steps than Oswald's departure. Kind of difficult to reconcile the coke guzzling shooter's departure with their own....absolute horse manure.

 

Lying and intimidation gets you quite far.

That is why no one said a thing.....

This is ridiculously absurd and is begging for imaginary reasons...Because people witnessed Oswald on the steps would not be any risk of "associating" with him...That's silly and stupid...Oswald was a loner and defector weirdo...The cops are certainly smart enough to know who is associating with Oswald and who is just a casual witness...Just because somebody reported seeing him on the steps would not mean they would be accused of associating with him...This is another classic Kamp lunatic assertion that isn't very intelligent...DiEugenio signs off on this crap and recommends it...

The suggestion that Campbell was putting pressure on Lovelady is paranoid lunacy...Campbell was helping a worker keep his job from a professional stand point...They have absolutely nothing to do with each other and it is silly to suggest so...

The suggestion that Molina was roughed up and intimidated by the cops because he witnessed Oswald on the steps is nuts...Though it is possible he was rousted in order to make him keep his mouth shut about the true situation in the Depository and perhaps his knowledge that Oswald was in the lunch room...

Same for Frazier...What this nut Kamp is doing is taking real cases of intimidation that were based on the subject's potential knowledge of the corruption in the Depository and Oswald's innocence and claiming it is because of knowledge of Oswald being Prayer Man...

Kamp is an idiot...There were plenty of people who tried to come forward...They were ignored or not interviewed by the Commission...None were fired...The idea that they were pressured not to help a commie assassin is pure fabricated BS that Kamp is pulling out of his...

Kamp knows Shelley was brought in on the cover-up in order to discredit Victoria Adams...Kamp ignores the true dimensions of Shelley's involvement and his helping Oswald out the rear exit...Kamp is inferring that Shelley covered-up seeing Oswald as Prayer Man...We know what the horse manure is here...Kamp is a fool and ignores that years later someone would have talked or leaked to somebody...

Meanwhile Kamp ignores that we have proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...
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« Reply #2533 on: February 10, 2019, 02:01:13 PM »
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Bart Kamp wrote:

This is ridiculously absurd and is begging for imaginary reasons...Because people witnessed Oswald on the steps would not be any risk of "associating" with him...That's silly and stupid...Oswald was a loner and defector weirdo...The cops are certainly smart enough to know who is associating with Oswald and who is just a casual witness...Just because somebody reported seeing him on the steps would not mean they would be accused of associating with him...This is another classic Kamp lunatic assertion that isn't very intelligent...DiEugenio signs off on this crap and recommends it...

The suggestion that Campbell was putting pressure on Lovelady is paranoid lunacy...Campbell was helping a worker keep his job from a professional stand point...They have absolutely nothing to do with each other and it is silly to suggest so...

The suggestion that Molina was roughed up and intimidated by the cops because he witnessed Oswald on the steps is nuts...Though it is possible he was rousted in order to make him keep his mouth shut about the true situation in the Depository and perhaps his knowledge that Oswald was in the lunch room...

Same for Frazier...What this nut Kamp is doing is taking real cases of intimidation that were based on the subject's potential knowledge of the corruption in the Depository and Oswald's innocence and claiming it is because of knowledge of Oswald being Prayer Man...

Kamp is an idiot...There were plenty of people who tried to come forward...They were ignored or not interviewed by the Commission...None were fired...The idea that they were pressured not to help a commie assassin is pure fabricated BS that Kamp is pulling out of his...

Kamp knows Shelley was brought in on the cover-up in order to discredit Victoria Adams...Kamp ignores the true dimensions of Shelley's involvement and his helping Oswald out the rear exit...Kamp is inferring that Shelley covered-up seeing Oswald as Prayer Man...We know what the horse manure is here...Kamp is a fool and ignores that years later someone would have talked or leaked to somebody...

Meanwhile Kamp ignores that we have proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...

Kamp is not an idiot.  It is against the rules here to cast aspersions on others.  I humbly disagree with your unsubstantiated findings, Mr. Doyle.  You should use your verbiage in more useful ways.  From now on, I will not insult any other member of this forum.  That's a promise, Duncan.  We're above that here, even though I found your deleted McMurphy meme delightful.  Right, Mr.Graves?  Do unto others as they would want them to do unto youse...... and the dude that was taking pictures with his camera was NOT Sarah Stanton.  So there.

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« Reply #2534 on: February 10, 2019, 03:54:05 PM »
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Kamp is not an idiot.  It is against the rules here to cast aspersions on others.  I humbly disagree with your unsubstantiated findings, Mr. Doyle.  You should use your verbiage in more useful ways.  From now on, I will not insult any other member of this forum.  That's a promise, Duncan.  We're above that here, even though I found your deleted McMurphy meme delightful.  Right, Mr.Graves?  Do unto others as they would want them to do unto youse...... and the dude that was taking pictures with his camera was NOT Sarah Stanton.  So there.

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« Reply #2535 on: February 10, 2019, 05:14:02 PM »
I had a little debate with Barker on my Prayer Woman page... He made the argument that Fritz did not take notes so therefore Hosty's notes were the superior reference...When I pointed-out that Fritz was the one doing the interview and therefore remembered what he asked Oswald and what Oswald answered with Greg didn't respond...His website is a black hole of bogus research where hacks and crazies are cherry-picking anything they can desperately stretch to mean what they wish while banning anyone who shows the refuting evidence...So Barker was saying we should go by the Hosty notes exclusively "because they trump the reports due to their being taken on the spot" ...When I pointed out to him that the Hosty notes failed to mention Oswald going out front with Shelley Greg didn't answer...Greg's group are liars who only cite what they want to hear and ignore that which refutes it...Since we are now being pointed to Hosty by Greg then we should honor his quoting Oswald saying he went to the bus...These Prayer Man idiots also ignore that their preferred and approved source Hosty tells of Oswald having a Coke...Something the great Jim D denied and went after as false but now that it is repeatedly appearing in evidence Jim sneaks off and stays quiet pretending he isn't hearing it...

What Greg's group is ignoring and trying to troll around is Hosty's notes match Fritz's notes perfectly when overlain on each other...Therefore the chronology established in the more accurate Fritz notes must be honored...Fritz's last line told of Oswald going "Out with Shelley in front"...Hosty's last line told of Oswald going "outside to watch the presidential parade"...The honest chronology of both is AFTER Baker confronted Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room...Kamp, in his typical boyish deception ignores this obvious context and desperately tries to force this one line over all other intelligent analysis despite his obviously ripping it out of context... And he has schoolyard booby Jim DiEugenio in his knickers, neck-tie, and schoolboy hat giving it his stamp of approval while ignoring how egregiously dishonest it all is...

A more insightful intelligent analysis will see that Hosty omits the part of Fritz's interview where Oswald tells him that Baker confronted him in the 2nd floor lunch room...Hosty does that because he is FBI and is closer to the federal source of the cover-up...Hosty drops the inconvenient detail of Baker because he knows Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots and doesn't want to mention it...Hosty also drops Fritz's mention of Shelley...Oswald slipped there and gave a detail that led to how he got out the rear exit of the Depository...Shelley helped him out the back...Hosty is aware of this and once again drops what is incriminating from his interview...Greg ignorantly doesn't realize that Hosty very much is the better source, but not for the reasons he believes...

What Barker and his band of mis-directionists fail to realize is their own Hosty evidence tells of an Oswald who said he went up to get a Coke and came back to the Domino Room to eat lunch when he then heard the shots...But that doesn't make sense because the correct evidence has Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room when Baker & Truly came in as more accurately described in Fritz's notes...You can't use Hosty's notes for this because he's dropping the location part for deceptive reasons...If we go by the accurate testimony it doesn't make sense that Oswald went from the Domino Room to the 2nd floor lunch room to get a Coke and then back down to the Domino Room and then back up to the 2nd floor lunch room...It doesn't make sense because it requires Oswald to be buying two Cokes within minutes...If we go by the accurate testimony that is what Barker's scenario actually requires...They know this so they solve it by trying to get rid of the 2nd floor lunch room encounter because they realize it destroys their nutty Prayer Man theory...

I've never gotten an honest answer from the Prayer Man people over the words of the more honest reporter Fritz...Ball tried to bait Fritz into saying Oswald went up to get a Coke in the 2nd floor lunch room...Fritz wouldn't bite because he knew Oswald didn't tell him that:

Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

What Fritz is indirectly saying there is Oswald never told him he went up to get a Coke...He told him he was in the 2nd floor lunch room...Hosty omits the part about Baker confronting Oswald there because he doesn't want to tip people off to where Oswald was...

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« Reply #2536 on: February 10, 2019, 05:56:39 PM »
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What a great find for Bart and all the others who say that Oswald was outside watching the parade!

There's Thomas's partner ignoring all the qualifying intelligent evidence and giving credit to what is probably the worst trolling idiot on the internet...The forum where he posts is not embarrassed by creating a false image through banning everyone who can effectively oppose them with intelligent commentary...Any forum that creates a safe place for this fountain of craziness and deceptive research, Bart Kamp, is damned...

Sandy is a member here...He doesn't post over here because he knows he wouldn't last 10 seconds...Larsen is not being honest because that quote does not say what he's inferring...Larsen also ignores that Kamp is in demented denial of his own correct location of Calvery on the steps...God forbid Larsen mention that to Kamp while congratulating him...
 
Again - If Kamp wasn't criminally protected by the moderation I would finish him off quickly if allowed to post...He's trying to make me look bad saying I am ranting and over the top but any intelligent person can see he omits the substance of my criticisms...Kamp mentions me a lot because I am on his conscience...The CT community has been hijacked by the Prayer Man nuts and the correct information is being censored...
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« Reply #2537 on: February 11, 2019, 01:04:12 AM »
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This is pretty convincing. I had my doubts about the film showing LHO or someone else. But this is now the second independent corroboration of what LHO told them when he was interviewed. Hosty and Fritz would have had to go into a room and compare notes to get the story straight and I just can't visualize them doing that. They both heard what he said and wrote it down independently.

What I'm amazed at though is have these Hosty notes never been seen as Kamp says? This case has been churned a million times and I find it hard to believe the notes were just revealed 55 years after the fact.

EDIT - this forum won't let me post an external link so the link I tried to post is Kamp's PM site showing the Hosty notes.
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« Reply #2538 on: February 11, 2019, 01:32:25 AM »
The Prayer Man people ignored David Josephs when he posted the Bookhout Report...That report just so happens to mirror Fritz's report exactly...If you compare it to Fritz's report it is identical and even gives more detail about the lunch room encounter...Peg Barker advises us to reference the Hosty notes because they were taken on the spot...He ignores the fact that the Hosty notes are seriously lacking in the critical detail in both Bookhout's and Fritz's notes...

If you read Bookhout's report of Fritz's interrogation of Oswald it starts at the exact same place Fritz's notes start...It describes Baker confronting Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room just like Fritz's notes...Bookhout also identically repeats Oswald's claim that he went to the first floor Domino Room after the encounter...In Fritz's notes this is entered as "To 1st floor had lunch"...Bookhout then identically enters that Oswald went out with Bill Shelley in front just like Fritz...The Bookhout notes are so perfectly identical to Fritz's notes that they serve as corroboration...

The reason Kamp and the Prayer Man cultists ignored Josephs' citation of the Bookhout report is because they knew it undermined their bogus claim based on Hosty's notes...Credible researchers will note that the Bookhout and Fritz texts repeat the same information and therefore validate it...And in turn they will notice that the Hosty notes then come into question for failing to detail the Baker confrontation that the other two describe...Not only that but Hosty fails to mention Bill Shelley by name and only says Oswald went outside to watch the presidential parade...

Both Bookhout and Fritz mention Shelley and mention him in the correct context of chronological order...In both Bookhout and Fritz Oswald does not go out front until after the lunch room encounter and Domino Room...By this clear description Oswald could not possibly have gone to the front steps until several minutes after the Darnell image with Prayer Man...

Bart Kamp is a sick puppy...In his mind even though the Bookhout report backs Fritz detail for detail precisely and therefore confirms the chronological order of the events he advises that Bookhout is the unreliable outlier and Hosty is to be trusted even though any idiot can see the Hosty notes are the seriously differing version...

Walton obviously hasn't read a single word of the counter-evidence...
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« Reply #2539 on: February 11, 2019, 03:15:49 AM »
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I had a little debate with Barker on my Prayer Woman page... He made the argument that Fritz did not take notes so therefore Hosty's notes were the superior reference...When I pointed-out that Fritz was the one doing the interview and therefore remembered what he asked Oswald and what Oswald answered with Greg didn't respond...His website is a black hole of bogus research where hacks and crazies are cherry-picking anything they can desperately stretch to mean what they wish while banning anyone who shows the refuting evidence...So Barker was saying we should go by the Hosty notes exclusively "because they trump the reports due to their being taken on the spot" ...When I pointed out to him that the Hosty notes failed to mention Oswald going out front with Shelley Greg didn't answer...Greg's group are liars who only cite what they want to hear and ignore that which refutes it...Since we are now being pointed to Hosty by Greg then we should honor his quoting Oswald saying he went to the bus...These Prayer Man idiots also ignore that their preferred and approved source Hosty tells of Oswald having a Coke...Something the great Jim D denied and went after as false but now that it is repeatedly appearing in evidence Jim sneaks off and stays quiet pretending he isn't hearing it...

What Greg's group is ignoring and trying to troll around is Hosty's notes match Fritz's notes perfectly when overlain on each other...Therefore the chronology established in the more accurate Fritz notes must be honored...Fritz's last line told of Oswald going "Out with Shelley in front"...Hosty's last line told of Oswald going "outside to watch the presidential parade"...The honest chronology of both is AFTER Baker confronted Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room...Kamp, in his typical boyish deception ignores this obvious context and desperately tries to force this one line over all other intelligent analysis despite his obviously ripping it out of context... And he has schoolyard booby Jim DiEugenio in his knickers, neck-tie, and schoolboy hat giving it his stamp of approval while ignoring how egregiously dishonest it all is...

A more insightful intelligent analysis will see that Hosty omits the part of Fritz's interview where Oswald tells him that Baker confronted him in the 2nd floor lunch room...Hosty does that because he is FBI and is closer to the federal source of the cover-up...Hosty drops the inconvenient detail of Baker because he knows Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots and doesn't want to mention it...Hosty also drops Fritz's mention of Shelley...Oswald slipped there and gave a detail that led to how he got out the rear exit of the Depository...Shelley helped him out the back...Hosty is aware of this and once again drops what is incriminating from his interview...Greg ignorantly doesn't realize that Hosty very much is the better source, but not for the reasons he believes...

What Barker and his band of mis-directionists fail to realize is their own Hosty evidence tells of an Oswald who said he went up to get a Coke and came back to the Domino Room to eat lunch when he then heard the shots...But that doesn't make sense because the correct evidence has Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room when Baker & Truly came in as more accurately described in Fritz's notes...You can't use Hosty's notes for this because he's dropping the location part for deceptive reasons...If we go by the accurate testimony it doesn't make sense that Oswald went from the Domino Room to the 2nd floor lunch room to get a Coke and then back down to the Domino Room and then back up to the 2nd floor lunch room...It doesn't make sense because it requires Oswald to be buying two Cokes within minutes...If we go by the accurate testimony that is what Barker's scenario actually requires...They know this so they solve it by trying to get rid of the 2nd floor lunch room encounter because they realize it destroys their nutty Prayer Man theory...

I've never gotten an honest answer from the Prayer Man people over the words of the more honest reporter Fritz...Ball tried to bait Fritz into saying Oswald went up to get a Coke in the 2nd floor lunch room...Fritz wouldn't bite because he knew Oswald didn't tell him that:

Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

What Fritz is indirectly saying there is Oswald never told him he went up to get a Coke...He told him he was in the 2nd floor lunch room...Hosty omits the part about Baker confronting Oswald there because he doesn't want to tip people off to where Oswald was...


I think I agree with this logic, which is why I am more convinced that Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunchroom from 12:15 until he heard sirens frequency and left the 2nd floor lunchroom in only his T-shirt, having just bought a coke, to go to the immediate 2nd floor office, to enquire from someone what was the cause of the sirens. He left approx. 30 to 40 sec post shots, and walked into the 2nd floor office, looking for someone, but no one was there. Ms Geneva Hines had left and probably had made a stop into the womens bathroom since this about the only way to have seen people "falling" which were like the Newmans on the GK, which is NOT a perspective possible from the so called west side window that Geneva Hines claims to have seen this happen.


Now if I can prove the Couch film is a composite film of Couch film sequence which actually begins at approx. 5 to 6 sec post shots, otherwise, how is Couch able to have recorded Wiegman in the background on the Grassy Knoll, "TURNING AROUND" which = Weigman has just STOPPED his camera, and you can see this "cut" from the scene of the 2 persons at the Pergola wall, which is 15 sec from when Wiegman jumps from his car.  And since Wiegman didn't hear 3rd shot until AFTER he jumped from car, and was running, subtracting 2 sec for that, means Wiegmans continuous running film finally is "CUT" at approximately 13 sec post LAST shot fired.


This means for the Couch film to have caught Weigman turning which at 8 seconds into Couch film is actually at the 13 sec post shots. Which means Couch film HAD to be started at 5 to 6 second post shots to have caught Wiegman at 13 sec post shots.


Also, Couch WC testimony is the their car was about 60 ft from making the turn on Elm st, when the shots were fired, and if the motorcade speed was approx. 15mph average, and since 1mph= approx. 1.5 ft./sec, would mean that the Couch car reached the turn at 3 sec post shots. And Couch also managed catch a glimpse of the rifle being withdrawn, which is like 2 sec post last shot.


Couch then immediately reached for his camera, made a "quick setting" and put camera to his eye and started his sequence of filming that supposedly includes Baker running thru and past Mrs Reid and other office women still supposedly standing there, 25 sec post shots, even thought Mrs Reids own WC testimony contradicts that probability.


Or Baker has to have been filmed by some other camera that began at 25 sec post shots, and at the point in that film many of the office women are NOT in the position and Mrs Reid may have already left.


If those 2 films are merged somehow, overlapped, the composite film has Baker moving thru, like a ghost, right past Mrs Reid.


Why did neither Mrs Reid, NOR Malcolm Couch have an WC testimony of having seen a DPD officer RUNNING right past them?


Malcolm Couch only describes the DPD officer he filmed AFTER he cut his film just after capturing Wiegman on the GK, and this officer has his gun drawn and very clearly captured, JUST AS COUCH describes. So its NOT Baker, that Couch is refering to, when stating have gotten a close up of an DPD officer with gun drawn.



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