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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #460 on: June 22, 2018, 09:33:52 PM »
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Oswald walks back up to the 2nd floor lunch room where Carolyn Arnold sees him at 12:25...Baker & Truly see Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room at 12:31:15...

But Baker's testimony puts LHO outside the lunchroom when Baker first sees him! What do you believe LHO was doing outside the lunchroom?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #460 on: June 22, 2018, 09:33:52 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #461 on: June 22, 2018, 09:40:23 PM »
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And how does your question relate to the post, that you, Ford, quoted, which referenced testimony by ML Baker and RS Truly?
Before you make "answer demands", you might review this thread to confirm you have answered questions, appropriately, that were asked of you, AlanFord.


Sarah Stanton's sighting of LHO with a coke before the assassination blows a gaping wide hole in the story told to the Warren Commission by Baker & Truly.

Before you make "further contributions" to this thread you might review your inability to offer anything beyond banal restatements of your LNerish sentiment 'I trust witness statements and testimony and deplore any attempt to examine them critically'!

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #462 on: June 22, 2018, 09:45:26 PM »


Take a look at the Education Forum for a classic example of a thread hijack...Because of brutish censorship I can't respond to the false information the hijackers are using to divert the thread from the original subject matter...It is not a mistake that this is happening...The persons doing it are doing so intentionally to avoid addressing the proof shown in the original post that they don't want to admit overturns their previous Prayer Man claims...

DiEugenio is a stickler for people going off topic at the Education Forum and is usually the first to complain and first to be served by the moderators in getting the thread back on topic...The strategy of making up lies as the reason for banning someone who disproves the Prayer Man theory is being used very effectively and the hypocrisy is in full bloom on the EF...


 

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« Reply #462 on: June 22, 2018, 09:45:26 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #463 on: June 22, 2018, 09:52:53 PM »
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Take a look at the Education Forum for a classic example of a thread hijack...Because of brutish censorship I can't respond to the false information the hijackers are using to divert the thread from the original subject matter...It is not a mistake that this is happening...The persons doing it are doing so intentionally to avoid addressing the proof shown in the original post that they don't want to admit overturns their previous Prayer Man claims...

DiEugenio is a stickler for people going off topic at the Education Forum and is usually the first to complain and first to be served by the moderators in getting the thread back on topic...The strategy of making up lies as the reason for banning someone who disproves the Prayer Man theory is being used very effectively and the hypocrisy is in full bloom on the EF...


Take heart, Brian, and be serene in the assurance that your contribution to the Prayer Man discussion has not gone unnoticed...
-------------You have euthanised the SarahStanton=PrayerMan theory by showing us a contemporary photo of Sarah Stanton
-------------You have found crucial corroboration for Carolyn Arnold's sighting of LHO in the lunchroom before the shooting, a key element of the original Prayer Man theory!
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« Reply #464 on: June 22, 2018, 10:00:37 PM »
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But Baker's testimony puts LHO outside the lunchroom when Baker first sees him! What do you believe LHO was doing outside the lunchroom?


Oswald was in the vestibule window because he was watching the stairway while at the same time obeying his orders to be in the 2nd floor lunch room...He probably heard Truly shouting for the elevator and wanted to see what was going on...He was probably doing the same thing he was doing when Stanton saw him...

Because Prayer Man researchers have dominated the subject with their myopic tunnel vision they have prevented some very simple detective analysis from being done to Baker's witnessing...I think Baker saw Oswald in the vestibule window watching the landing and when Baker appeared Oswald flinched away and Baker caught the evasive flinch and pursued him like any good cop would...Alan, you notice dodgy language in witnesses...Please look at Baker's evasive language in describing how he noticed Oswald at the Commission hearing...Baker was hiding the fact he saw Oswald standing there looking which means Oswald was set-up and stationary and therefore not just rushing in to the lunch room from the 6th floor...Baker avoided detailing this and the flinching away because the plotters knew they gave the game away as to Oswald's being there the whole time...The same reason they omitted Stanton and Carolyn Arnold's witnessing...

I and being slandered and called "too insulting" by persons who have seized control of the research internet and used that lie to censor me...A skilled analyst like myself should be protected from those social media types and the damage they do to the best analyses...

 

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« Reply #465 on: June 22, 2018, 10:06:27 PM »
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-------------You have euthanised the SarahStanton=PrayerMan theory by showing us a contemporary photo of Sarah Stanton

Which is why you are going to further prove that by asking Kamp to add the forearm in that contemporary photo to his blow-up of Prayer Man's forearm that he posted in that same thread...

Sure Alan, and you are not deliberately ignoring the 5 foot 5 height of Prayer Man that perfectly matches Stanton's height, or the perfectly matching hips...

Maybe Jim DiEugenio will ask Kamp why he omitted juxtaposing Sarah's forearm next to the excellent blow-up of Prayer Man's forearm that he posted?

Nice troll!

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #466 on: June 22, 2018, 10:09:37 PM »
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I think Baker saw Oswald in the vestibule window watching the landing and when Baker appeared Oswald flinched away and Baker caught the evasive flinch and pursued him like any good cop would...

But Baker thought the shots had come from the ROOF! Why would he waste his time going after a man just one floor up? Crazy!!

The reason he said LHO was already mobile when he first saw him through the glass door was he had to make the new story conform somehow to his original 'a man walking away from the stairway' statement.

I agree with you about Baker's language. His testimony is a lie. The footage of Baker & LHO in the DPD hallway on the Saturday which Barry Pollard has discovered also tells its own story. Baker's head goes down
-------------he doesn't want LHO to recognise him!

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« Reply #466 on: June 22, 2018, 10:09:37 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #467 on: June 22, 2018, 10:16:08 PM »
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Oswald was in the vestibule window because he was watching the stairway while at the same time obeying his orders to be in the 2nd floor lunch room...He probably heard Truly shouting for the elevator and wanted to see what was going on...He was probably doing the same thing he was doing when Stanton saw him...

So you're saying LHO lied when he said he was on the first floor when the President passed the building? And disobeyed his orders by going down to the domino room for no specific reason?
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« Reply #467 on: June 22, 2018, 10:16:08 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #468 on: June 22, 2018, 11:39:07 PM »
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As discussed for some years now, sufficient evidence places LeeHarveyOswald on the 2nd floor as the motorcade drove past the TSBD. Why did you make a non-provable statement?
Why did BuellWesleyFrazier not testify that he saw LeeHarveyOswald on the landing as filmed at/or near the time of the assassination? Why did any known stairs/landing portal area occupant not testify that they had seen LeeHarveyOswald among them on the stairs/landing as filmed at/or near the time of the assassination? Why did LeeHarveyOswald not testify that he was the person represented by PrayerPersonImage, as the assassination occurred?


There's enough of the same circumstantial evidence that puts LHO behind the barrel of a rifle on the sixth and I have trouble believing you dismiss it all after what you wrote in this thread about "reliable evidence". I note also, that you didn't actually say you believe he was on the 2nd floor, so "sufficient" enough for you, as well as others?

Why wouldn't BWF say so? Well in a normal conversation that could be reasoned out, with examples of questioning tactics of the police and even the DPD specifically, the malleability of our memories and historic examples of witnesses convieniently forgeting things that were crucial to the prosecution or defense, perhaps I could make an interesting case, but with someone who's already made clear he needs no help, why should I bother now? BWF was in a world of trouble, arrested and interigated for/and hours after they already had their man, he said it himself in the Gary Mack interview almost in tears, he went to work that day a boy and went to sleep that night man(he was thinking about what happened to him, not JFK), never understanding what he did that made the DPD treat him that way. A nineteen year old, offering their prime suspect an alibli, he must have been mistaken and I'm sure they'd have little trouble persuading him of that and "lying" doesn't even come into it.

Why wouldn't LHO say it? Perhaps he did, I cannot be sure but when he was here, IF he was there, just like BWF he witnessed no shooting and was himself back upstairs before Baker IMHO.

Finally, why would I make an unprovable statement? That's exactly what I responded to, welcome to our planet.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #469 on: June 22, 2018, 11:43:16 PM »
Theory!

In Wiegman we see LHO, facing forward, raising a sandwich to his mouth with his RIGHT hand (if you look closely you see the left hand does NOT go up)...

   

? and in Darnell we see him with his arms folded, still facing forward but with head turned east, the sandwich/wrapper still in his RIGHT hand, only that hand is tucked under his left elbow and the protrusion of the sandwich/wrapper is giving the MISLEADING impression of being his left forearm! (The way to see this is to cover up the purported left forearm, take in the image of LHO with arms folded, and then return the purported left forearm to the image. It's quite startling!)

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