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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #430 on: June 21, 2018, 09:33:39 PM »
This is what the SECOND FBI interrogation report has to say:

OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca?cola from the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. MR. TRULY was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees? lunch room.

Sarah Stanton's encounter with LHO-with-a-coke BEFORE the assassination, BEFORE the search of the Depository building, tells us that the above chain of events is a LIE.

But whose lie is it?  :-\

Well, seems to me
-------------->LHO (guilty or innocent) would have had no reason to hide his pre-shooting visit to the coke machine.
-------------->the investigators would have had every reason to do so!

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« Reply #430 on: June 21, 2018, 09:33:39 PM »

Online Brian Doyle

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #431 on: June 21, 2018, 09:42:10 PM »
Be aware that Alan Ford is showing an image with an arrow pointing to Sarah Stanton and claiming it puts Oswald out on the landing to the Depository front steps...


If Oswald was in the process of buying a 2nd Coke when Baker confronted him then that would explain the problems with Baker's affidavit and the suppression of the Coke itself...The real suppression here would then be Sarah Stanton's witnessing of Oswald with a Coke...Baker crosses-out the Coke in his September 1964 Burnett statement because all involved realize its danger in shooting down the possible timing for the dash from the 6th floor...

Does it ever dawn on Alan that everything now coming in in favor of the Coke makes it much more likely Oswald being in the lunch room and being witnessed by Baker also becomes more likely? 

Look at that scofflaw DiEugenio avoiding all this...No comment on the Coke vs his previous scoffing doubt...

I think Alan is taking liberties with the interrogation quotes...It is possible from that wording that the Coke when officer came in is the same Coke that Sarah Stanton saw...Alan fudges this because he is aware it would put Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room for the entire period...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #432 on: June 21, 2018, 09:48:55 PM »
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If Oswald was in the process of buying a 2nd Coke when Baker confronted him then that would explain the problems with Baker's affidavit and the suppression of the Coke itself...

The reason Baker's affidavit doesn't describe the lunchroom incident is that it hasn't been invented yet!

The reason for the suppression of the coke is that LHO bought it at the wrong time!

The reason that you don't see any of this is that you are an uncredible fantasist!

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« Reply #432 on: June 21, 2018, 09:48:55 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #433 on: June 21, 2018, 10:01:44 PM »
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I think Alan is taking liberties with the interrogation quotes...It is possible from that wording that the Coke when officer came in is the same Coke that Sarah Stanton saw...

 ???

You seem to be forgetting that Baker told the Warren Commission he saw LHO by the coke machine!

So LHO, "having JUST PURCHASED a Coca-Cola from the soft drink machine" "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers", is confronted by an officer several minutes before the assassination?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #434 on: June 21, 2018, 10:06:00 PM »
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The reason Baker's affidavit doesn't describe the lunchroom incident is that it hasn't been invented yet!


That's just you saying that because you are trying to force the Prayer Man theory against the evidence that is now all coming in against it...Alan is a dishonest trickster because he knows as well as I do that my confirmation of a Coke from a new corroborating witness gives good reason for Baker's avoidance...If Alan were a sharper more honest detective he would realize Baker describes the encounter in a way that helps him avoid mentioning the lunch room and Coke...A sharp detective would see that Baker doesn't avoid the encounter itself because he tries to pawn it off as happening somewhere else...So he does mention the encounter, only he omits the part that exposes the Coke...This tells you he is avoiding something he knows to be both dangerous and true...The reason Baker's affidavit doesn't describe the dangerous incidentals of the lunch room encounter is because the encounter was real and possessed details that Baker needed to avoid if he was going obey the cover-up...He's avoiding any mention or identification of the Coke...The plotters probably decided to admit the lunch room as being the location when they realized there were three woman employees who witnessed Oswald being there (Stanton, Arnold, Reid)...And don't forget Truly who told his wife about it Friday night...So this new witnessing by Stanton is highly valuable to understanding Baker's 1st day affidavit...He was avoiding the Coke...Alan already knows this...Otherwise he would be asking who then Baker encountered at the 3rd floor landing?


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« Reply #434 on: June 21, 2018, 10:06:00 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #435 on: June 21, 2018, 10:08:09 PM »
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Sarah Stanton's sighting of LHO with a coke before the assassination, along with the investigators' determination to cover up this visit to the lunchroom before the assassination, suggests strongly that
---------------> when LHO told Captain Fritz he bought a coke 'for his lunch' he was telling the truth!
---------------> there was no second purchase of a coke from the machine!
---------------> the relationship between LHO-with-a-coke-prior-to-the-assassination (Stanton) and LHO-with-a-coke-after-the-assassination (Reid) is not REPETITION but DUPLICATION!

i.e.


---------------> LHO's visit to the lunchroom prior to the assassination GENERATED the fictional story of his visit to the lunchroom after the assassination!
---------------> they took a REAL event and pretended it had happened at a different point in time!

And THAT, my friends, is why the investigators deep-sixed Carolyn Arnold's sighting of LHO in the lunchroom before the assassination!

Now, thanks to Linda Zambanini's (and Brian Doyle's) work in tracking down Sarah Stanton's relatives, we finally have compelling corroboration for the much-maligned Carolyn Arnold's story.

Marrion L. Baker & Roy Truly's second floor lunchroom story crumbles to dust  Walk:

Sorry Alan but Sarah Stanton's signed statement of March 18, 1964 trumps anything that her grandkids allege that she recalled to them years after the fact. Sarah Stanton did not sight Oswald holding a coke before the assassination. She never saw him at any time that day.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #436 on: June 21, 2018, 10:10:02 PM »
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???

You seem to be forgetting that Baker told the Warren Commission he saw LHO by the coke machine!

   
Says Alan, while deliberately omitting the rest of what Baker said...How is Oswald over by the Coke machine buying a Coke when he only has a second or two to get from the vestibule window to the Coke machine?...Baker's other statements just have Oswald standing there with Baker ordering him to come to him...

Does 2 Cokes in 20 minutes make sense on Oswald's budget?

Wasn't Carolyn Arnold's 12:25 statement signed? Did it contain her witnessing of Oswald in the lunch room?
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« Reply #436 on: June 21, 2018, 10:10:02 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #437 on: June 21, 2018, 10:14:13 PM »
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That's just you saying that because you are trying to force the Prayer Man theory against the evidence that is now all coming in against it...Alan is a dishonest trickster because he knows as well as I do that my confirmation of a Coke from a new corroborating witness gives good reason for Baker's avoidance...If Alan were a sharper more honest detective he would realize Baker describes the encounter in a way that helps him avoid mentioning the lunch room and Coke...A sharp detective would see that Baker doesn't avoid the encounter itself because he tries to pawn it off as happening somewhere else...So he does mention the encounter, only he omits the part that exposes the Coke...This tells you he is avoiding something he knows to be both dangerous and true...The reason Baker's affidavit doesn't describe the dangerous incidentals of the lunch room encounter is because the encounter was real and possessed details that Baker needed to avoid if he was going obey the cover-up...He's avoiding any mention or identification of the Coke...The plotters probably decided to admit the lunch room as being the location when they realized there were three woman employees who witnessed Oswald being there (Stanton, Arnold, Reid)...And don't forget Truly who told his wife about it Friday night...So this new witnessing by Stanton is highly valuable to understanding Baker's 1st day affidavit...He was avoiding the Coke...Alan already knows this...Otherwise he would be asking who then Baker encountered at the 3rd floor landing?

I'm thrilled silly to see that we agree that Baker lied in his Warren Commission testimony! But you're so gullible you believe everything else he told them!!

And I'm just cockahoop that you also agree that Mrs Reid lied in her Warren Commission testimony! But etc.

The only thing forced here is the lunchroom story involving Baker and Truly. It's hilarious that you're so uncredible and so lacking in linguistic forensic detective research analysis skills that you can't even see the explosive significance of the new Stanton evidence YOU YOURSELF have just uncovered!  :D
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« Reply #437 on: June 21, 2018, 10:14:13 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #438 on: June 21, 2018, 10:15:38 PM »
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Sorry Alan but Sarah Stanton's signed statement of March 18, 1964 trumps anything that her grandkids allege that she recalled to them years after the fact. Sarah Stanton did not sight Oswald holding a coke before the assassination. She never saw him at any time that day.

Sorry, Mr Nickerson, but you need to familiarise yourself with the relevant information before making a judgment!

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #439 on: June 21, 2018, 10:20:42 PM »
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Says Alan, while deliberately omitting the rest of what Baker said...How is Oswald over by the Coke machine buying a Coke when he only has a second or two to get from the vestibule window to the Coke machine?...Baker's other statements just have Oswald standing there with Baker ordering him to come to him...

Baker testified to the Warren Commission that LHO was at the coke machine by the time Baker called out to him. It's all made up!

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Does 2 Cokes in 20 minutes make sense on Oswald's budget?

There never WERE 2 cokes, and that's the whole point! Baker lied, Truly lied, all but the first FBI report lied!

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Wasn't Carolyn Arnold's 12:25 statement signed? Did it contain her witnessing of Oswald in the lunch room?

The FBI suppressed her story. If it weren't for your contact with Stanton's relatives, her story probably would never have been corroborated. But now that it has, WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED! LHO bought his coke before the assassination and took it down to the first floor. He was on the first floor when the President passed the building.  Thumb1:

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