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Offline Steve Logan

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #380 on: June 19, 2018, 08:19:34 PM »
IMO the old lady on the stairs with the purse looks more like Zambanini's Pauline Sanders rather than the pudgy Sarah Stanton.

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« Reply #380 on: June 19, 2018, 08:19:34 PM »

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« Reply #381 on: June 19, 2018, 08:31:35 PM »
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It's not a new find, Michael.


I submitted this woman as a possibility 3 to 4 years ago, maybe longer.

It was largely ignored, except for interest from a couple of members.

Now that we have an image of Sarah Stanton, a comparison can now be made.

This woman does look like a big woman.

The facial features appear to me to be uncannily similar to that of an older in appearance and plumper faced Sarah Stanton as posted by Brian?

Making allowance for the different Camera angles:

Same Deep Set Eyes, High Forehead, Curved Pointy Nose, High Cheekbones, Semi Pointed Witchy Chin.

Any small physical Facial appearance differences, are in my opinion, almost certainly due to the different Camera angle POV's, plus the natural changes caused by the passage of time between the comparison images.

More importantly, Could she be Sarah Stanton? ie, Prayer Man with dark hair in 1963, and filmed at a later moment in time at the entrance of the TSBD? I believe it could very well be.

For Brian:

Brian, Can you try to get a recorded verified ID from her Granddaughter if this is indeed Sarah at a later moment in time at the TSBD entrance?

You may post an opinion, but do not make a final judgement yourself.

It is crucial to let her family be the arbiters of this comparison.



No, not a new discovery, and I made a reference as such in an earlier Post/Reply on this thread. And, 3 or 4 years in pursuit of additional evidence of the Image possibly being the same person as PrayerPersonImage is most likely a correct time frame.

In any event, after careful study of the research of the issue, about 1.5 years ago, on 1/17/2017 IIRC, I started a thread, on another forum, seeking a positive identification of who was represented by the Image that I referred to as ScarfLady. And, IIRC, the reported time of the scene in both Hughes and Martin Films was at/or about 12:50pm CST, 11/22/'63, as shown of course, at the TSBD Bldg Elm St entrance portal stairs/landing.

As previously stated, it appears to me that PrayerPersonImage is looking slightly to her right, towards a returning assassination witness that was announcing what she had seen. However, it also appears, at least to me, that PrayerPersonImage was filmed during a beginning head turn, indicating a possible altered exposure on film. So, I have concluded, that for the most part, PrayerPersonImage's facial features are from mostly a frontal view, and only a very slight view of her facial right side.

For clarification, not a new discovery, nor a discovery by me, but one that I have studied for some time in an effort to obtain the correct identity of ScarfLadyImage herself, as well as any connection to PrayerPersonImage positive identification..
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #382 on: June 19, 2018, 08:49:07 PM »
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The interview does appear to be leading the witness but what listeners don't realize is I had several weeks of private messages where the leading opinions were something the grand daughter already agreed on and offered herself...


Kamp is also accusing me of stealing Zambanini's work...Not true...I took a name posted on Find-A-Grave in public and contacted the witness...In no way is that stealing someone's work and I wish I could sue those suggesting it...Besides, Zambanini is trying to prove Oswald was Prayer Man...In no way does any credible researcher owe anything to uncredible researchers trying to mislead the community with false theories...

For clarification, BrianDoyle and myself, although we are not always in absolute agreement, have researched, and shared, acquired information relative to SarahJuanitaDeanDanielStanton, in order to obtain her correct and positive identification. And, have done so for a while now.

In any event, as history indicates, all "research information" needs verification for correctness.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #383 on: June 19, 2018, 09:29:34 PM »
So Sarah Stanton sees LHO by the second floor lunchroom with a soda in his hand several minutes before the assassination, yet several minutes later (just after the assassination) Marrion L. Baker sees LHO walk into the lunchroom and over to the soda machine. Why would LHO do this? 

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #384 on: June 19, 2018, 09:33:47 PM »
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IMO the old lady on the stairs with the purse looks more like Zambanini's Pauline Sanders rather than the pudgy Sarah Stanton.

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Uh, the photos of Pauline Sanders are from 1945 and 1946. The assassination of President Kennedy didn't happen until 1963.

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« Reply #384 on: June 19, 2018, 09:33:47 PM »

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« Reply #385 on: June 19, 2018, 09:58:48 PM »
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Uh, the photos of Pauline Sanders are from 1945 and 1946. The assassination of President Kennedy didn't happen until 1963.

No sh*t Sherlock.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #386 on: June 19, 2018, 10:35:11 PM »
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FRAZIER: As soon as I remarked to the woman to my left that Jackie looked as beautiful as in the magazines, the woman smiled, did a sudden cartwheel past me to the other side of the steps and stuck a dark wig on her head for professional reasons.

MACK: Did that surprise you?

FRAZIER: Sure did. But I didn't have time to think about it on account of that was when the first shot rang out.


Now where are said statements found?I am so far unable to locate these stated quotes.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #387 on: June 19, 2018, 10:45:23 PM »
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So Sarah Stanton sees LHO by the second floor lunchroom with a soda in his hand several minutes before the assassination, yet several minutes later (just after the assassination) Marrion L. Baker sees LHO walk into the lunchroom and over to the soda machine. Why would LHO do this?


So we are to believe that LHO bought two cokes, one a few minutes before the shooting and the other just after it. Yet none of the interrogation reports say anything about two coke purchases by LHO in the lunchroom.
------------------------But why would LHO lie about having bought two cokes?
Or, if LHO did tell his interrogators about the two cokes...
------------------------Why would this be left out of the interrogation reports?

EITHER LHO doesn't want his interrogators to know about his nefarious decision to buy two cokes
OR his interrogators don't want the rest of us to know that he visited the second floor lunchroom before the shooting.

Carolyn Arnold's experience with the FBI tells us which of the above two conclusions is the correct one...
------------------------The latter.

And so the question becomes: WHY? Why did the authorities not want it known that LHO visited the second floor lunchroom before the shooting?

The very first interrogation report makes interesting reading in the light of this question:

OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunch room; however he went to the second floor where the Coca?Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca?Cola for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed this building


 ???


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« Reply #387 on: June 19, 2018, 10:45:23 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #388 on: June 19, 2018, 10:47:03 PM »
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Now where are said statements found?I am so far unable to locate these stated quotes.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #389 on: June 19, 2018, 10:49:29 PM »
Stancak is posting his faulty height lines again...There is very little reason to post good analysis on these boards because it gets ignored...I have posted several times that Stancak's height lines are fatally scientifically flawed and he ignores it and keeps re-entering the same invalid height lines...

If you look at Stancak's height lines his computer software is identifying the square frame of the image and calculating height lines that assume everything in the image is at a perspective and horizon that is dead center level to the frame of the image...But the objects in question are on a 3D perspective within that frame and do not obey the same horizon the software is assuming...

I have posted several times that Stancak's height lines that he compares Frazier to Prayer Man with will always be parallel to the top frame of the image...However the correct perspective horizon he is dealing with conforms to the aluminum window frame that drifts upward as it goes from left to right...The 3D perspective of the aluminum frame is the correct perspective of any height lines so Stancak is once again offering authoritative pseudo-science that the Education Forum members fail to see the egregious flaws of...
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